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It's an intriguing question. In my experience, it really depends on the person. I think individuals who are empathic tend to, as you say, fight to be free from old mistakes. However, not everyone does. I still remember overhearing a conversation between my mother and one of her friends. The friend had shared a painful experience from when she was a teen and concluded her story by declaring, "I could hardly wait until I was in a position that I could do that to someone else."AntonelaMaria wrote: ↑01 Mar 2020, 04:52 How often do we fight our past experiences trying to be free of repeating same old mistakes?
As a 10-year-old, I was shocked! If something hurt you, why would you want to do it to someone else?? It didn't make sense to me at all. Now, though, from my own life experience, I have seen that there are indeed people who relish being able to pass on the hurts they've received.
No one is perfect. Certainly Hillary isn't, and (IMO) she makes some mistakes in her parenting but she tries and for that I respect her. It's easy to pass on the mistreatment we received as children. The challenge is to rise above that and determine to do better. And anytime I see a parent seeking to do that, I have respect for them, perfect or not.
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Me too! In fact, I sometimes I try so hard to be a good mom that I go the other way, unfortunately. And I feel that's what happened with Hillary as well. Her mother leaving was definitely a major negative milestone in her life, and she too tried very hard to overcome that.wendilou49 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2020, 15:18 I often felt inadequate add a mother and I had a happy childhood for the most part.
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Yes, she tries. And in the end that is the thing I respect the most ... her willingness to try to do better and not being perfect.Laura Lee wrote: ↑08 Mar 2020, 16:59 I like your question. It shows a lot of insight into human nature. Some people react to trauma in childhood by passing on the same sort of mistreatment that so damaged them, usually through habit, but I've known two people who did it deliberately. Shocking, I know. I couldn't believe my own ears! Why would you mistreat someone else in the same way that hurt you so much?
Hillary seemed to take the second approach: she wanted to protect her daughter from being hurt in the way she'd been hurt. She certainly wasn't perfect, but at least she'd started the process of being a better mother. I always have tremendous respect for any parent who is able to learn from their own parents' mistakes and not repeat them.
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Maybe that is just show off my narrow mind but I haven't even taken into consideration the fact that someone would be not willing to do better or even like your mom friend "couldn't wait to do it to someone else". I know that is an individual thing but again it didn't even cross my mind.Laura Lee wrote: ↑12 Mar 2020, 22:03It's an intriguing question. In my experience, it really depends on the person. I think individuals who are empathic tend to, as you say, fight to be free from old mistakes. However, not everyone does. I still remember overhearing a conversation between my mother and one of her friends. The friend had shared a painful experience from when she was a teen and concluded her story by declaring, "I could hardly wait until I was in a position that I could do that to someone else."AntonelaMaria wrote: ↑01 Mar 2020, 04:52 How often do we fight our past experiences trying to be free of repeating same old mistakes?
As a 10-year-old, I was shocked! If something hurt you, why would you want to do it to someone else?? It didn't make sense to me at all. Now, though, from my own life experience, I have seen that there are indeed people who relish being able to pass on the hurts they've received.
No one is perfect. Certainly Hillary isn't, and (IMO) she makes some mistakes in her parenting but she tries and for that I respect her. It's easy to pass on the mistreatment we received as children. The challenge is to rise above that and determine to do better. And anytime I see a parent seeking to do that, I have respect for them, perfect or not.
Wow, I can only imagine your 10 year old self being shocked.
I think the mistakes Hillary made only made her more realistic as a character.
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To me, her imperfection made her more realistic. How many times do we ( it doesn't have to be a mother-daughter relationship) make a mistakes but try to do better? Or if we are a mess but trying to present it differently?Barbara6886 wrote: ↑14 Mar 2020, 15:34 Hillary is a mess of contradictions to me. She is worried about being a good mother to Claire but finds her daughters high energy, out going nature to be tiresome. Worries about abandoning her daughter, but leaves her alone and allows her to be with near strangers after Sarah’s murder. Wants to keep her safe but was going to keep her with her in Ireland when Ed returned home. It just seems to me there are too many incidents of her thoughts/worries and her actions not matching.
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Yes there were times when it seemed like her actions weren't matching her words, but we should understand that we are humans full of imperfections.
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Constantly fight our past to try and create what we want. Many people give up the fight and give into a cycle of family and circumstance.AntonelaMaria wrote: ↑01 Mar 2020, 04:52 How do you think that Hillary’s mother leaving her reflected on her own relationship with her daughter? How often do we fight our past experiences trying to be free of repeating same old mistakes?
This book gained depth trough the theme of heritage and family. It made Hillary more real and relatable character to me. Her struggles are realistic. I could understand her issues with being hesitant about more children and feeling inadequate. Those are such human doubts and especially with mothers.
It made her even better mother in my eyes because she tries so much with everything she knows.