Historical Fiction Genre Discussion
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Re: Historical Fiction Genre Discussion
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In any case, it was Robin Hood: Demon's Bane (Mark of the Black Arrow), by James R. Tuck, and Debbie Viguie, and I rated it a 3. In this twist on the Robin Hood legend the sheriff is a demon, the woods are home to the Fey, and Robin might be a changling. I suggest it for those who enjoy the fantasy genre, and it was a good start to a trilogy, I do hope the next one delivers a bit more. Still good, though.
The second was The Danish Girl, by David Ebershoff, and I rated if a very low 3, I would actually knock it down to a 2.5 if I could. Set in the 1920's, it's about artist, Einar Wegener, and his journey to becoming Lili Elbe, that's underselling it a bit. Greta, his wife, has her own story, and an interesting one at that.
I enjoyed it, it was a nice story, loosely (very loosely) based on the true story, but it seemed at every turn something felt wrong. From medical procedures to the way some characters reacted. There was also a character brought in at the most convenient time to be of use, this always annoys me. However, most details were well researched, some historic events were included, and a lot of the medical practices were right, which actually bothered me more than if the whole thing would've been poorly researched.
I recommend it to those who find themselves interested in it, it's a good book, and others may, or may not find the same issues with it. I wouldn't have noticed the issues I did if it wasn't something that interests me anyway. Another part of my lower rating is because of the ending, and that is all about personal preference.
And, as I said before, I enjoyed it, just not enough to nullify the problems I found with it.
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One of my favorite books might be a good fit for you then. It's Mika Waltari's "The Egyptian". It is a historical novel and based very much on fact, heavily embellished with fictional characters. While I do enjoy historical fiction I read this in my youth when it first became available and I wasn't really aware of the distinction of historical fiction back then. I just saw this as fiction, and as one of the strangest and most compelling adventure stories I'd ever read.Nina B wrote:I love historical fiction novels, especially ones that take place in ancient Egypt. My favorite is probably Kleopatra by Karen Essex because she put a decent amount of research into it and even included a detailed family tree at the beginning of the book.
A lot of historical novels really see humanity and civilization as having values similar to ours but with less technology. Not this one. This puts the reader into the middle of a very advanced civilization for it's time but one that is totally unlike our own. That isn't about technology. It's about how people think and what they do with their thoughts. It's like being in a different world.
The main character is Sinuhe, the physician to the pharoah Amenhotep IV, who historians say originated the idea that there is one god. In this case the god was the sun and since it shone equally on all he also said, for the first time that we know of in history, that all men are equal. Radical ideas, and they got him killed and his son, Tut (yes that Tut) became pharoah.
A lot of biblical scholars, not all but many, think it's entirely possible that, since his followers were enslaved after his death, it was their descendants who participated in the Exodus, and not the remains of the Jews who had come into Egypt a couple centuries earlier with Joseph, and that these people, believing in one god, met the remnants of the Jews who had stayed behind when Joseph's family followed him to Egypt because of the famine, and formed what we know as Judaism today. One piece of evidence for this in the bible is that before Joseph God always said he was the main God, never the only God. After the Exodus, he became the only God. That isn't proof but it's enough, with all the other little points, to make it seem very possible. The bible makes no reference to anything that happened during the 400 years between Joseph and the Exodus.
Anyway, aside from all the historical significance, this is an amazing story, full of fascinating characters, very unlike us, who breathe. You can almost hear them as you read, they are so real.
I think I first read this about 1955 and I've read it about every 5 years or so ever since. It's never stopped amazing me.
Waltari wrote other books, some of which I also read, although not over and over again. They were all historical novels and were excellent although "The Egyptian" was the best of them.
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Thanks for describing this book, Barry. I see it is in e-reader format. I read that the book was published during the 40's and was made into a film in 1954. Netflix doesn't appear to have it in DVD form - otherwise I would add it to the December reading list. Regardless, I will add it to my library as you make it seem an interesting read.BarryEM wrote:One of my favorite books might be a good fit for you then. It's Mika Waltari's "The Egyptian". It is a historical novel and based very much on fact, heavily embellished with fictional characters. While I do enjoy historical fiction I read this in my youth when it first became available and I wasn't really aware of the distinction of historical fiction back then. I just saw this as fiction, and as one of the strangest and most compelling adventure stories I'd ever read.Nina B wrote:I love historical fiction novels, especially ones that take place in ancient Egypt. My favorite is probably Kleopatra by Karen Essex because she put a decent amount of research into it and even included a detailed family tree at the beginning of the book.
A lot of historical novels really see humanity and civilization as having values similar to ours but with less technology. Not this one. This puts the reader into the middle of a very advanced civilization for it's time but one that is totally unlike our own. That isn't about technology. It's about how people think and what they do with their thoughts. It's like being in a different world.
The main character is Sinuhe, the physician to the pharoah Amenhotep IV, who historians say originated the idea that there is one god. In this case the god was the sun and since it shone equally on all he also said, for the first time that we know of in history, that all men are equal. Radical ideas, and they got him killed and his son, Tut (yes that Tut) became pharoah.
A lot of biblical scholars, not all but many, think it's entirely possible that, since his followers were enslaved after his death, it was their descendants who participated in the Exodus, and not the remains of the Jews who had come into Egypt a couple centuries earlier with Joseph, and that these people, believing in one god, met the remnants of the Jews who had stayed behind when Joseph's family followed him to Egypt because of the famine, and formed what we know as Judaism today. One piece of evidence for this in the bible is that before Joseph God always said he was the main God, never the only God. After the Exodus, he became the only God. That isn't proof but it's enough, with all the other little points, to make it seem very possible. The bible makes no reference to anything that happened during the 400 years between Joseph and the Exodus.
Anyway, aside from all the historical significance, this is an amazing story, full of fascinating characters, very unlike us, who breathe. You can almost hear them as you read, they are so real.
I think I first read this about 1955 and I've read it about every 5 years or so ever since. It's never stopped amazing me.
Waltari wrote other books, some of which I also read, although not over and over again. They were all historical novels and were excellent although "The Egyptian" was the best of them.
Barry
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I'm curious why you need the movie to put the book on the reading list? I'm new in this forum so I don't really know how things work yet.
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I've been wanting to read that! Please keep me updated, I would love to know if you recommend it.Graverobber wrote:I started my November book a few days ago. I went with The Danish Girl by David Ebershoff. As of right now I am about a quarter of the way through it.
It's set in Copenhagen Denmark in the 1920's, and is a novelization of the true story of artist Lili Elbe who was born Einar Wegener.
I'm enjoying it quite a lot
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I finished it and posted about it hereliteraturelover wrote:I've been wanting to read that! Please keep me updated, I would love to know if you recommend it.Graverobber wrote:I started my November book a few days ago. I went with The Danish Girl by David Ebershoff. As of right now I am about a quarter of the way through it.
It's set in Copenhagen Denmark in the 1920's, and is a novelization of the true story of artist Lili Elbe who was born Einar Wegener.
I'm enjoying it quite a lot
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I believe this is a unique book because for one, the author takes great depth in using such an ugly disgusting time in history to turn it into a justice. Secondly the protagonist isn't some whiny indecisive female, she actually is a relate-able character. Last but not least the whole point of the story is the fact that an injustice can always be turned around and when it comes to the slave issue, that's not often seen in books. Good job ML Bullock
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This review alone took me on an adventure. I will definitely take this book into consideration. It sounds very interesting.DennisK wrote: ↑03 Nov 2015, 17:26 Samoa-A Historical Novel by J. Robert Shaffer
Near where I live, there use to be an old ,what I believe to be, a horse drawn hay rake. Along the axial connecting the two large iron wheels was a string of steel thongs that could easily pierce the human body. Perched slightly forward of them was a single seat. Nothing protective existed between the thongs and the seat. From the axial, was a boom that would have been connected to the horse's harness. Sitting on this machine, I tried to get some sense of what it was like to be a farmer during the times that it was used. Horses are not like a motor – they have their own brains, and like all living creatures, we have our good days and our bad. Sitting there on my perch, I could do better than just imagine what it would be like - I could feel it. That is what I look for in a well written historical novel. I want to experience how it felt to live during the time of its story. History, to me, is more than just dates. It is even more than some concept of cause and effect. It should be a human experience. I want to feel it in my gut, and in doing so, it is like lengthening my life by extending it back into time. Of course, I haven't read an author who could transport me, body and soul, back in time, but if I can gain some tidbit of what it was like – something to which I can relate; then the book will be well worth the read. This was my expectation when I loaded this book into my Nook.
The first thing I would like to point out is that Shaffer added to his book a chapter by chapter account of what, and who was real, and what was fiction. Bookmarking this section made it easy to refer back to it while reading the story. I can't compliment him enough for taking the time to do that. Shaffer uses a style that is similar to a play where the actor leaves the character to talk to the audience – he will leave the narrative by the use of italicized font. One would think this my be confusing, but it is done in such a way that it flows with the narrative without problems.
I think the book's first part is its best. Its story starts about 3000 years ago. After migrations from New Guinea, and subsequently from the Fiji Islands, our islanders have been living on an island for many generations. There is a persistent drought and the island is no longer able to support its population. This is how the story begins. What can a people do when on an island that can no longer support its population? Do they succumb to disease and famine - have a war to deplete the population, or as our islanders do, leave? Guided by legends passed from generation to generation, it is decided to build a boat to sail some of its population to another island. The legends told them to always sail toward the rising sun, and during the night, use the stars we currently call Orion's belt. That, and identifying and observing the path of migrating birds, they were able to populate the islands of Samoa and eventually all of Polynesia. This was done more than a thousand years before 'civilized' man dared to venture beyond the sight of land.
I have the thought that the more steps you can make into the past, the further into the future you can see. While reading this adventure, I marveled at how the people of that starving island sacrificed their precious resources to build and equip that boat - and say goodbye to those who would leave forever. Today, there are plans to send people to Mars, and I can't help but see similarities between our two points in time: They were on an island surrounded by a vast, and an, apparently, unending ocean. Today, we are on an island-planet surrounded by a vast, and for all practical purposes, unending space. We are at the beginning of an exploration that will try our resources, and our courage – just as it must have been for them.
The story progresses to a time when Europe's missionaries arrived to “de-heathenize” the natives – influenza being the catalyst. The story continues through German, English and U.S. colonization efforts – all of which is colored in greed, prejudice and brutality. There were some favorable characters – a whole chapter was given to Robert Louis Stevenson,s life in Samoa. I found nothing enlightening, nor inspiring in this book's last half. Instead of being a story about the Samoan people, much of the story was about European people in Samoa. For me, this was a disappointment. I view it as a missed opportunity as Polynesian people are unique because they learned to survive on small specks of land surrounded by a vast ocean. Today, we live on a small speck of dust surrounded by a vast universe, and we are now learning its limitation. All of our recorded history are of a people who's civilizations grew within large continents. To expand, all we had to do was start walking! Never-the-less, the European influence on Polynesia was undeniably overpowering, and I can understand why Shaffer wrote it as such.
In that this novel covers such a long period of time, it is an epic story – much like James Michener's stories. The narrative was a bit choppy – as though it had undergone considerable editing to bring its size down to a readable 600-plus pages. I did gain a new perspective, but it is not a book that I would reread. The book wasn’t so much riveting as it was enlightening – at least the first half of the book. I would grade it 2 out of 4.