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Any BTS fans here????
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Unfortunately I never had the chance to get into them, I found out about the abusive situation that the members are subjected to and I promptly stopped supporting. I only got to hear about four songs.
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Don't let yourself be mistaken. A lot of abuse happen on the music industry as a whole (not just the Korean one), but the company BTS is under is BigHit. They never signed an abusive contract, get a fair share of the income of their albuns (a percentage much higher than the other idols), and always got a lot of creative freedom since the beginning, being deeply involved on the writing and producing. All of the hours of hard work that put into isn't something that is in their contracts or they being forced to it. They are hard workers because they like what they do and it is something deeply tied to eastern Asian culture (after all, is common to have stories of students in China, Japan and Korean that study for over 12 hours a day). They struggled at the beginning because neither they or their company had a lot of money, and were boycotted and dismissed by the Korean media. Now, they make up for most of their company profits, which leads them a pretty powerful position inside it. Last but not least, they even renewed their contract last year (and I'm sure they had several other offers).Zion Mesa wrote: ↑27 Jan 2020, 06:18 I'm a xenophile and I was just curious about Korean music, did a YouTube search and bingo... BTS
Unfortunately I never had the chance to get into them, I found out about the abusive situation that the members are subjected to and I promptly stopped supporting. I only got to hear about four songs.
Please, do your research before saying these things, they are not abused or tied to an unfair contract. And whoever says otherwise is most likely a xenophobe trying to put a bad light to them, because there is no evidence. The whole 'dark side of kpop' is.., if I could curse I would... after all, BTS and BigHit are not like other groups or companies, and abuse happens in every music industry no matter the county.
And... Sorry about this huge text, but I hate when people start spreading misinformation. And they use this whole generalization, not hate on the companies of kpop who abuse (BigHit not being included on this list), but on the artists who don't deserve this. Even going as far as saying racist and xenophobic comments to them.
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OkJulie-p wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 07:34Don't let yourself be mistaken. A lot of abuse happen on the music industry as a whole (not just the Korean one), but the company BTS is under is BigHit. They never signed an abusive contract, get a fair share of the income of their albuns (a percentage much higher than the other idols), and always got a lot of creative freedom since the beginning, being deeply involved on the writing and producing. All of the hours of hard work that put into isn't something that is in their contracts or they being forced to it. They are hard workers because they like what they do and it is something deeply tied to eastern Asian culture (after all, is common to have stories of students in China, Japan and Korean that study for over 12 hours a day). They struggled at the beginning because neither they or their company had a lot of money, and were boycotted and dismissed by the Korean media. Now, they make up for most of their company profits, which leads them a pretty powerful position inside it. Last but not least, they even renewed their contract last year (and I'm sure they had several other offers).Zion Mesa wrote: ↑27 Jan 2020, 06:18 I'm a xenophile and I was just curious about Korean music, did a YouTube search and bingo... BTS
Unfortunately I never had the chance to get into them, I found out about the abusive situation that the members are subjected to and I promptly stopped supporting. I only got to hear about four songs.
Please, do your research before saying these things, they are not abused or tied to an unfair contract. And whoever says otherwise is most likely a xenophobe trying to put a bad light to them, because there is no evidence. The whole 'dark side of kpop' is.., if I could curse I would... after all, BTS and BigHit are not like other groups or companies, and abuse happens in every music industry no matter the county.
And... Sorry about this huge text, but I hate when people start spreading misinformation. And they use this whole generalization, not hate on the companies of kpop who abuse (BigHit not being included on this list), but on the artists who don't deserve this. Even going as far as saying racist and xenophobic comments to them.
What does racist people and hating the artists have to do with the current conversation though? I didn't say anything hateful about the people or the artists. If anything, I implied that I'm worried about them and don't want to pay into something potentially harmful to them.
It's sounds as though you're generalizing in your response towards me. I never said I was hating, I didn't imply anything xenophobic (which if you were using the term in the proper context shouldn't even be able to enter the conversation.) and I didn't specify only Korean media or only BigHit. There are companies on both sides of the ocean that I don't support and it has nothing to do with "xenophobia".
It's simply caring about people and excercising caution. I'm doing constant research on the topic if you care to know, and I keep finding sketchy things that don't seem right to me. Airing on the side of caution, I've decided not to support the company unless I feel it's safe to do so.
I don't do this for fun.
It sucks.
Seventeen is one of my favorite bands.
It's not pleasant to know that now they're on Weverse and BigHit has been lying about having purchased Pledis at all.
It just doesn't sit right with me.
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I mentioned racist and xenophobes because a lot of them use this 'they are abused excuse' to mock and denigrate the artists. I always said 'people' and sorry, but it was never my intention to associate you to them. I simply said that spreading this misconception is harmful for BTS, and fuels hatred towards them.Zion Mesa wrote: ↑25 May 2020, 16:04
Ok
What does racist people and hating the artists have to do with the current conversation though? I didn't say anything hateful about the people or the artists. If anything, I implied that I'm worried about them and don't want to pay into something potentially harmful to them.
It's sounds as though you're generalizing in your response towards me. I never said I was hating, I didn't imply anything xenophobic (which if you were using the term in the proper context shouldn't even be able to enter the conversation.) and I didn't specify only Korean media or only BigHit. There are companies on both sides of the ocean that I don't support and it has nothing to do with "xenophobia".
It's simply caring about people and excercising caution. I'm doing constant research on the topic if you care to know, and I keep finding sketchy things that don't seem right to me. Airing on the side of caution, I've decided not to support the company unless I feel it's safe to do so.
I don't do this for fun.
It sucks.
Seventeen is one of my favorite bands.
It's not pleasant to know that now they're on Weverse and BigHit has been lying about having purchased Pledis at all.
It just doesn't sit right with me.
By the way... you said that they were being abused... what does that have to do with BigHit buying Pledis? The guys have nothing to do with this decision, and it doesn't prove or even hints that BigHit is abusing them.
If you want to discuss shady tactics used by music companies, let's have this decision then. I can pull of a whole list of these tactics like chart manipulation and buying awards, something primarily done by the former 'big 3' and a lot of big companies in kpop. Kim Seokjin and Kim Namjoon, two of the members of BTS have done speeches in award shows politely going against sajaegi (or chart manipulation).
But this is off the topic and has nothing to do with the well-being of BTS. You didn't went against any of the facts that I stated that prove that they aren't being abused, therefore I imagine that you have no evidence to support this whole 'abuse' narrative. It feels to me you are just annoyed at BigHit for buying the company Seventeen is under.
If you want to continue this discussion please send me a private message so that we can chat more.
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Sure, I'm always up for talking about shady tactics although I fail to see how that'd help YOUR argument. If you're suggesting that other companies doing wrong makes BigHit better in some way, that's not true.Julie-p wrote: ↑26 May 2020, 13:49I mentioned racist and xenophobes because a lot of them use this 'they are abused excuse' to mock and denigrate the artists. I always said 'people' and sorry, but it was never my intention to associate you to them. I simply said that spreading this misconception is harmful for BTS, and fuels hatred towards them.Zion Mesa wrote: ↑25 May 2020, 16:04
Ok
What does racist people and hating the artists have to do with the current conversation though? I didn't say anything hateful about the people or the artists. If anything, I implied that I'm worried about them and don't want to pay into something potentially harmful to them.
It's sounds as though you're generalizing in your response towards me. I never said I was hating, I didn't imply anything xenophobic (which if you were using the term in the proper context shouldn't even be able to enter the conversation.) and I didn't specify only Korean media or only BigHit. There are companies on both sides of the ocean that I don't support and it has nothing to do with "xenophobia".
It's simply caring about people and excercising caution. I'm doing constant research on the topic if you care to know, and I keep finding sketchy things that don't seem right to me. Airing on the side of caution, I've decided not to support the company unless I feel it's safe to do so.
I don't do this for fun.
It sucks.
Seventeen is one of my favorite bands.
It's not pleasant to know that now they're on Weverse and BigHit has been lying about having purchased Pledis at all.
It just doesn't sit right with me.
By the way... you said that they were being abused... what does that have to do with BigHit buying Pledis? The guys have nothing to do with this decision, and it doesn't prove or even hints that BigHit is abusing them.
If you want to discuss shady tactics used by music companies, let's have this decision then. I can pull of a whole list of these tactics like chart manipulation and buying awards, something primarily done by the former 'big 3' and a lot of big companies in kpop. Kim Seokjin and Kim Namjoon, two of the members of BTS have done speeches in award shows politely going against sajaegi (or chart manipulation).
But this is off the topic and has nothing to do with the well-being of BTS. You didn't went against any of the facts that I stated that prove that they aren't being abused, therefore I imagine that you have no evidence to support this whole 'abuse' narrative. It feels to me you are just annoyed at BigHit for buying the company Seventeen is under.
If you want to continue this discussion please send me a private message so that we can chat more.
But I've PM'd and we can continue this elsewhere.
Sorry, to anyone who may have been disturbed by the conversation thus far.
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Heyyyyy, I'm glad you put it out there. Because I dislike it when people put BTS in the same category as bands who've to suffer because of their managements.Julie-p wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 07:34Don't let yourself be mistaken. A lot of abuse happen on the music industry as a whole (not just the Korean one), but the company BTS is under is BigHit. They never signed an abusive contract, get a fair share of the income of their albuns (a percentage much higher than the other idols), and always got a lot of creative freedom since the beginning, being deeply involved on the writing and producing. All of the hours of hard work that put into isn't something that is in their contracts or they being forced to it. They are hard workers because they like what they do and it is something deeply tied to eastern Asian culture (after all, is common to have stories of students in China, Japan and Korean that study for over 12 hours a day). They struggled at the beginning because neither they or their company had a lot of money, and were boycotted and dismissed by the Korean media. Now, they make up for most of their company profits, which leads them a pretty powerful position inside it. Last but not least, they even renewed their contract last year (and I'm sure they had several other offers).Zion Mesa wrote: ↑27 Jan 2020, 06:18 I'm a xenophile and I was just curious about Korean music, did a YouTube search and bingo... BTS
Unfortunately I never had the chance to get into them, I found out about the abusive situation that the members are subjected to and I promptly stopped supporting. I only got to hear about four songs.
Please, do your research before saying these things, they are not abused or tied to an unfair contract. And whoever says otherwise is most likely a xenophobe trying to put a bad light to them, because there is no evidence. The whole 'dark side of kpop' is.., if I could curse I would... after all, BTS and BigHit are not like other groups or companies, and abuse happens in every music industry no matter the county.
And... Sorry about this huge text, but I hate when people start spreading misinformation. And they use this whole generalization, not hate on the companies of kpop who abuse (BigHit not being included on this list), but on the artists who don't deserve this. Even going as far as saying racist and xenophobic comments to them.
BTS is amazing and they're literally changing lived (for the better).
They have such a huge impact. And the best part is they give people a reason to get through any tough situation.
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