Is it selfish of Tris to crave victory or is it brave?

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Re: Is it selfish of Tris to crave victory or is it brave?

Post by csimmons032 » 22 Apr 2017, 14:05

It could be a little bit of both. Considering the conditions that Tris lives in, she has to prove herself worthy of the faction, which would include beating her competitors. The fact that she works so hard to stay a part of the Dauntless faction makes her brave. Tris was never allowed to be selfish in her old faction, which probably made her want to think of herself more when she changed. I don't think the other people of Dauntless have a right to be jealous of her when they want the same things. It seems like if they want it just as much, they should work harder.
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Post by Naval Aulakh » 09 Jul 2017, 08:10

I think that it was a bit selfish but that is where is belonged.
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Post by Mallory Whitaker » 28 Jul 2017, 12:59

Craving victory means you're craving to be better than others or feel better about yourself. So yeah, I'd say that is selfish. I think everyone has the right to feel jealous, it's what you do with that jealousy that matters. They are all sixteen so I find it hard to hold them up to the same moral compass I would an adult. I think I would forgive them if I was Tris. I just wouldn't do anything to change it.
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Post by Yemurai » 08 Aug 2017, 14:33

I think it's bravery, she grew up in a faction that is timid and I think she was just trying to prove that she can be brave.

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Post by Helen_Combe » 29 Mar 2018, 14:50

No, it’s not selfish to crave victory, the punishment for failure in Dauntless is to be made factionless which is terrifying. I would do everything in my power to avoid it.
Their rule that a percentage must fail was silly anyway, if the intake that year was particularly good, some great people would be pointlessly thrown away.
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Post by Crazybud » 23 Apr 2018, 10:22

Success is always appealing, victory endorses success. Initiation was a challenge, it was a test of strength, will and patience. I see no selfishness in craving victory during the initiation. For a person in Abnegation, it might be considered selfish, but for a Dauntless it is necessary to crave victory. It actually determined how much she actually fit the title of 'Dauntless'.

Also, it is natural to be jealous of higher competitors in name of competition. But while turning the jealousy to hatred is when you need to draw the limit. If I was in her place, I definitely would have forgiven my fellow competitors, taking it in the right spirit.
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