"It must require bravery to be honest all the time"

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Re: "It must require bravery to be honest all the time"

Post by Supcoolfofa01 » 12 Aug 2015, 12:34

Everybody has secrets they don't tell and I can't imagine having to confess all of them for everyone to know. It definitely takes bravery to be honest, but the way they are honest in Candor is stupid because I believe that some thoughts are best kept quiet.

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Post by The Book Reviewer » 23 Aug 2015, 16:15

Yes, it is true because sometimes it is easier to lie. Sometimes it is the cowardly option.

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Post by courtney8847 » 08 Sep 2015, 21:45

I definitely agree. I think that being truthful 100% percent of the time is something people seldom do, no matter how honest of a person you might be. Even the most miniscule of lies happen, because people are often afraid to speak their mind for fear of the judgement of others.

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Post by RooneysReviews » 11 Sep 2015, 16:11

Bravery is an extremely complex idea in society today and is explored frequently in literature. The truth is almost always portrayed as "good", but not always when it would cause pain. White lies are usually considered harmless since they do not hurt anyone. However, being entirely truthful about everything does take bravery, but it also takes wisdom. Candor would likely be just as painful to live in, with everyone telling the truth, as Dauntless is if everyone lied. The truth can hurt, and that is when wisdom becomes important to the situation. Sometimes, neither a lie nor truth is necessary and someone just needs to know when to be quiet.

As far as which faction has the most courage, I think each faction is courageous in it's own way. Even choosing where you will be living and how you will be living, would be terrifying but it is a choice everyone in the factions has made. Even the most cowardly person has been brave at least once.

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Post by doyle5 » 01 Jan 2016, 12:21

I think it does require a lot of bravery to be honest all the time. The phrase " everyone has their dirty little secrets" is said for a reason. The majority of the human population is very afraid of what the people around them think of them.

There are three main reasons people lie.
1) We are afraid of what will happen when we tell the truth.
2) We want to be more interesting
3) Self image (this fits in with 1 and 2, but I felt it was a big enough reason to have its own numeral)

Other people are apart of our lives. It wouldn't be bearable if everyone you knew your secrets (which depending on who you are would put you in jail or become public mockery) and ultimately choose to treat you harshly.

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Post by The_Venturas » 11 Mar 2016, 08:26

Well, nobody can be 100% honest all the time. The most common lie that people say each day is "I'm fine" or "I'm not sad". These are just a few examples. It takes lots of bravery from a person to tell the truth, eventough it hurts to the person who is hearing the truth.

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Post by Mares Nest » 04 Jul 2016, 10:57

This is so tricky. It requires bravery to be honest in a world you understand, where people are mean and exploiting and you have to be careful about every word.
But when you're a child or even or grown up who doesn't know the working of the world, honesty comes as easy as breathing. You don't see the reason to lie.

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Post by fari30 » 08 Aug 2016, 23:11

I think Dauntless focuses more on physically being brave. The actual act of physically going outside and doing something you're afraid of. However, I do believe bravery is so much more than that. Most of the lies are tell are because I am afraid of the consequences. It takes bravery to hold peace above anything else. It takes bravery to be selfless and make certain that everyone is as well as you are. It definitely takes bravery to delve deeper into knowledge, especially things that are so far out of reach.
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Post by Krazk01 » 10 Aug 2016, 20:48

Honestly, I think there is strength to be found in all of the factions. Dauntless focuses more on the nitty gritty stereotypical ideal of "strength", whereas the rest of the factions pose a view of strength that takes a little more insight to notice.

Candor, for example requires its members to be completely truthful at all times. Theres a lot of little things in life that we sometimes lie about, like persee taking our parents food out of the fridge and telling them it was our brother, or when our friends ask us if we like someone and we lie and say no. The thought of being honest all the time, i'm sure makes some people want to jump out of their skin. To be completely honest about who we are, what we think, and what we feel is akin to vulnerability and a kind of nakedness :oops: I'd say. And most people aren't used to that. Most of us are so afraid of being rejected for who we honestly are that the thought of having to keep every single aspect of our lives in the open is frightening. Its so hard for us to trust the people around us with who we are, our very heart of hearts, its hard to trust that the people around us can not break that. We're scared of people breaking us. So, to answer the thread topic, I do think it would require a certain amount of bravery for the average person to be able to spill all their secrets out in the open, all the time.

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Post by zero_macabre » 19 Sep 2016, 07:03

Tanafee wrote:True- it takes bravery to be truthful and admit to ones mistakes.
In real life, when you're trying to apologise to someone for doing something wrong or hurtful, it is really difficult. For me, that is. Honestly, I'm just worried that the person will reject my apology. It definitely takes courage to admit that you were wrong.
Although those in Candor aren't in Dauntless, they do possess some sort of bravery in them to always speak the truth. It is always difficult to break sad news to someone and they are unable to tell white lies to conceal the actual truth.

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Post by Taylor Razzani » 20 Sep 2016, 20:03

I would say Dauntless and Candor display two different kinds of bravery. The Dauntless perform acts that could hurt them or get them killed, but they do these things out of bravery and by controlling their fears. The bravery Candor requires deals more with how people will react and perceive you once you speak your mind. You could end of hurting someone's feelings, alienating yourself or just be in a generally awkward situation, all things people usually try to avoid. So it may not be quite the same as throwing yourself off a moving train or jumping off buildings, but it does take some level of bravery to tell the truth at times.

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Post by laylawhite » 14 Jan 2017, 11:47

I agree with Tris because sometimes it's not always easy to tell the truth. I also feel like Candor is more brave than Dauntless in some aspects because it must be difficult to tell people you love the truth even though it might hurt them.

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Post by AlwaysWorthIt » 27 May 2017, 12:28

I strongly believe that Candor is braver than Dauntless. Although it requires fear to be set aside at times, once you do something a few times, that fear disappears. Candor is truth through and through. You tell everyone the truth and that can be dangerous if someone doesn't agree with you or gets their feelings hurt or doesn't like what you say. It's a chance every time. I don't think that being candor all the time is a great idea. Sometimes people just need to hear the right words, even if it's a lie.
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Post by yc123 » 28 May 2017, 19:06

It is a fascinating concept. I agree that it does require a fair amount of bravery to be honest all the time. I believe that the Candor faction is in fact just as brave, if not braver, than the Dauntless faction because of the type of bravery required for each. The Dauntless faction are brave in a reckless sense. They have almost no regard for their own lives. They are adrenaline junkies. Some of the decisions they make are either brave or extremely reckless. The Candor bravery, however, is a more subtle type of bravery. They must face their peers and friends and admit everything. It is human nature to want approval so to stand up their and say every bad thing you have ever done, you would have to be extremely courageous.

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Post by Naval Aulakh » 09 Jul 2017, 08:06

I certainly do concur that it expects boldness to dependably be straightforward, yet I additionally think it relies upon the individual who is talking and what they feel. For some individual who feels awful about offending other people however needs to come clean regardless of the possibility that it harms somebody, it would expect courage to be completely forthright. Be that as it may, a few people are spooks and appreciate provoking and being pitiless to others.
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