"It must require bravery to be honest all the time"

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Re: "It must require bravery to be honest all the time"

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RussetDivinity wrote: 11 Jul 2014, 17:17
gali wrote:I think it must require bravery to be honest all the time, but Candor took honesty to the extreme.
I this was one of the points of the book, that each faction took itself to whatever extreme it could be. Dauntless took bravery to the extreme by becoming fearless rather than courageous; Abnegation isn't so much selfless as self-denying; Amity is peaceful even if keeping the peace requires drugging the population; Erudite prizes knowledge over all else; Candor took honesty so far that they didn't even recognize that small lies can be harmless or even helpful.

I think Dauntless is the braver of the two, simply because sometimes telling the truth can be a way of giving in. If the truth would harm someone, then it can be braver to lie. If I had to choose one of these two, I would probably choose Dauntless, because I'm a fiction writer and an actor by nature; I couldn't be truthful all the time. My being is set up around lies.
I agree with what you are saying. Honestly, I think I would choose Candor, mainly because I'm not likely to physically act and I can be very blunt.
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That saying may be true, but sometimes it goes too far. Also things are not always black and white even though we like to try to fit everything into this or that, so many other things play into what is truth and what is not. But it does take bravery to be honest when you feel a lie would be easier to tell.
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I would like to like in a society of truth tellers of candor, but, I dont think it is practical in real world. It does take a lot of bravery to tell the truth.
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Honesty require tactfulness. To be honest all the time you must also be humble. I think both factions required bravery, but how they were used showed true character, one of the reasons dividing I to factions doesn't work!
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holsam_87 wrote: 22 Jun 2018, 01:38
RussetDivinity wrote: 11 Jul 2014, 17:17
gali wrote:I think it must require bravery to be honest all the time, but Candor took honesty to the extreme.
I this was one of the points of the book, that each faction took itself to whatever extreme it could be. Dauntless took bravery to the extreme by becoming fearless rather than courageous; Abnegation isn't so much selfless as self-denying; Amity is peaceful even if keeping the peace requires drugging the population; Erudite prizes knowledge over all else; Candor took honesty so far that they didn't even recognize that small lies can be harmless or even helpful.

I think Dauntless is the braver of the two, simply because sometimes telling the truth can be a way of giving in. If the truth would harm someone, then it can be braver to lie. If I had to choose one of these two, I would probably choose Dauntless, because I'm a fiction writer and an actor by nature; I couldn't be truthful all the time. My being is set up around lies.
I agree with what you are saying. Honestly, I think I would choose Candor, mainly because I'm not likely to physically act and I can be very blunt.
I know it has been a while sense you posted here but I think White lies can hurt ,too. Would you want someone you know to go out in public in something that was less than fit for him/her? In the book if I had to keep something to myself that made me question everything, then I wouldn't be lying if I only told a few at a time!
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I think that bravery could be found in all of the factions, but I do especially admire Candor. While Dauntless was essentially the most physically brave and most willing to do dangerous things, it was more of a reckless kind of bravery. On the other hand, Candor was willing to accept blame and harshness from anyone for their truths and was a far more open and intense kind of bravery.
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I think candor requires more bravery. Yes it would take guts to jump off a moving train and scale a sky scraper that's in shambles but it would also take quite an amount of bravery to be honest to someone you love or someone that is sensitive especially when you know they wouldn't like it. But of course you have to be tactful.
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I think that being honest all the time requires you to be brave but also makes you cold and callous. However I think bravery is the backdrop of every honest action.
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Being honest all the time is certainly a brave decision, though perhaps not a very smart one. I value honesty a lot but sometimes you just have to consider people's feelings. But yes, usually, you do have to be brave to be honest.
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If i am told to choose who is the best between Candor and Dauntless, i would choose to be like Candor. It is better to be brave at the same time honest because once the truth is revealed , you will be on the safer side.
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I agree that it is hard to be honest, all the time. Sometimes, being honest means we can hurt the people we care about. Thus, I also agree that being honest requires bravery.
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I do believe it takes some bravery to be honest all the time. Do I believe that candor was more brave in this book? No, because even if it does take some bravery to be honest, it takes a lot of bravery to be able to stand up for what you believe in. With dauntless bravery is a part of their lifestyle, they thrive off being brave and being physically strong. Where as candor thrive off being truthful no matter what, even if it hurts. I could not live with being honest all the time. If I know the truth will hurt, I don’t always tell it right away, it depends on the situation. But also not all dauntless are brave, some may come off as brave but they are cowards, which is what people who are in dauntless are told isn’t right.
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I do think that honesty often requires bravery. Like the quote in my signature says,
"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth." -Oscar Wilde
I think that honesty often has repercussions that can be uncomfortable, so it is safer to sometimes fudge things a little bit. When we feel we won't have to suffer consequences, we're bolder.
Personally I don't think there is any one faction that's the bravest. I think it comes down to individuals. Sometimes even if it's brave to be honest, it isn't smart, so honesty isn't everything.
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Honesty often require bravery, but always being honest could be cruel. I wouldn't say either faction is braver than the other and I think we should strive for balance rather than hard and fast rules.
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To be honest all the time, there must be a level of bravery. Who's gonna be true to themselves at the price of society's scorn? Only a really brave fellow. Also, there's a certain degree of cruelty in honesty that only the most fearless people can deliver.
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