Reason behind the creation of the factions? Do they work?

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Re: Reason behind the creation of the factions? Do they work

Post by Apogea » 16 Jul 2014, 17:30

Factions make it easier to control the people, if you know exactly what they are supposed to be weak to, you can play off of that.
Peace may have had a part in it, but it clearly didn't work!

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Post by allesha » 16 Jul 2014, 18:14

roguexunited wrote:As I was reading the book I was constantly reminded of Lois Lowry's The Giver, where on paper everything sounded reasonable, but in practice it failed horribly. That is the sensation I got with Divergent. I also think that it was very clever to describe each fraction by its virtue because it becomes a distraction from what really is happening.
I do think that idea was a little commonplace because I can think of a whole bunch of other novels that have a very similar dystopian layout that simulates order. Brave New World, Guilliver's Travels (book 4), The Handmaid's Tale, to name a few.
I also think it was to distract people. If they keep trying to live up to the expectations of their faction, they won't have time to think of anything being wrong in their society, let alone do something about it.
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Post by sflaherty42 » 17 Jul 2014, 20:23

They split people up based on personality trait to create the illusion of choice when the people in charge are still controlling everything. It obviously didn't end up very good.
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Post by SidnayC » 18 Jul 2014, 16:26

Although the factions were created with good intentions - to bring stability and peace, the chaos and conflict which ensues completely undermines that. In that sense it does not work no matter the intentions.
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Post by toshilou » 18 Jul 2014, 21:17

***SPOILERS***

They believe that the factions were created to keep peace and that they divided themselves. We later discover in the series that the US government made multiple cities similar to this but with different methods. They split them into factions so that they could someday hope that people would heal and have every trait.

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But it did in fact cause problems that they didn't expect. Like the Erudite trying to take over
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Post by alex_ » 20 Jul 2014, 20:50

It's just another way to control people.

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Post by whero » 31 Jul 2014, 20:09

I was reading all these answers, and thinking why don't they mention [actual answer]? and then I realised, that information doesn't come through until the very last book, I read them all in such quick succession, I couldn't remember where the story left off for the first book. In any case, I can say without giving anything away, that the factions were indeed created to keep the peace and to encourage the promotion of each trait. That it didn't last... well it gives too much away if I say more.
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Post by Adurna101 » 09 Aug 2014, 01:33

The creation of the factions were for peace, for control. As anything that is 'perfect' it can only work for so long. People forget the reasons for making the factions, you have one person that wants control from a different faction, and suddenly it all falls apart. So. Do they work? Yes, but the fact that they ended up failing, is no surprise at all.
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Post by colemaba » 17 Aug 2014, 13:16

Though it can be argued that they were created for peace, I think it is mainly for control. I think that they can work, but it is unstable. It is only a matter of time before the people realize that they are being controlled and in turn desire their freedom. When this happens, the system falls apart and ultimately they fail.
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Post by NanoWasabi » 30 Aug 2014, 22:20

I think that the biggest problem was that the factions were so segregated from each other. If everyone got to experience living in each faction before they had to make their choice, a lot more people would have been happy where they were. Also, there should have been no faction-less people; if someone doesn't seem cut out for a faction, let them try a different one instead of just throwing them out in the cold.
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Post by lilmissmusicz » 28 Sep 2014, 15:27

I think the intent of the factions was to give everyone a place and a purpose. At least that was how it would be viewed from within the factions. With so many factionless and the truth behind the genetic purity it shows that it wasn't a strong enough system to actually withstand anything longterm. I think any of these dystopian novels trying to oppress human nature are going to run into trouble regardless though.

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Post by lisateb » 28 Sep 2014, 15:40

I think it was to keep some sort of order, but I wouldn't go as far as to say it was to keep the peace. None of these fractions were completely peaceful, and it didn't seem like they lived in a peaceful society. It seemed a way to keep people working, and to keep people "in their place." It of course, is all an illusion of personal choice, but when the individual is only allowed to choose from a few options what is really going on? Fraction before blood is almost a way of teaching that the only real choices are what is good for the fraction and the rules within it. There is no real personal freedoms, so the only thing I can think of is the fractions are used to keep order, and to keep tabs. If you can control the very choices the public has, then you can make them do almost anything if you teach it's for the good of the Fraction.
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Post by yoeyhayne13 » 28 Sep 2014, 16:26

I don't actually see the point of fractions or districts. Cause in the end they never work out

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I don't actually see the point of fractions or districts. Cause in the end they never work out

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Post by SharisseEM » 04 Oct 2014, 00:58

It worked for a while as we've seen in the novels but there will always come a time when someone stands up and when they do, a rebellion ensues. It happened in Divergent with Tris, in The Hunger Games with Katniss, in Matched with Cassia and Tally in Uglies. You try to contain people but you can't influence their emotions nor can you control it. Rebellions occur because of emotions.
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Post by Adurna101 » 09 Oct 2014, 18:31

The creation of the factions is a good idea. But it could never last. Corruption would find it's way in, and then it would all be over. A society like the one proposed in Divergent, can only survive so long, without maintenance. The maintenance that would have to be utilised, would be something akin to the Hunger Games.
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