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Post by Sarah_Khan » 16 Oct 2016, 15:35

TrishaAnn92 wrote:That is a shame. I hope you are able to reachieve where you were at. I keep at it because ao enjoy being on here and am a stay at home mom but I know there are others that try and try and have other importsnt things to do.
Yeah hopefully and thanks! Overall, this is a great site and I am happy I found it, :D just wish that my hard work hadn't just disappeared.  :? 

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Post by Scott » 16 Oct 2016, 16:23

Thanks for the feedback everyone. :)

The points for entering the giveaway are added as bonus points in the popularity score. This is to give those who struggle to get those points an alternative way to get some of those points for popularity. It's possible to get the full 40 for popularity without sharing the Book of the Day. That's how it used to be for most of the history of the review team. For most of the history of the review team, there were no bonus points for sharing or connecting social accounts. It was only a results-based system in terms of how many views etc. that reviewers reviews were getting, which is the primary concern with the popularity portion of the reviewer score. Authors are paying for the reviews in part because the reviews will be seen by many people.

There is inherently going to be a strong correlation between (a) how hard it is to become a higher level and higher scored reviewer versus (b) what the rewards are and how high the payments are. The funds that provide the free books and payments for reviews have to come from somewhere. It's a lot work and effort spread out between a lot of people.

Some individuals focus on sharing their own reviews to build the popularity that way which is the more simple idea behind it and is great. But I like also having an alternative bonus for those who might struggle with that more simple concept but who go out of their way to help benefit the whole review team by sharing the Books of the Day, which have generally all been submitted for review to our team.

Someone in this topic mentioned how there seems to be plenty of books to review lately, for instance. That's in a big way thanks to those members who have been sharing the Book of the Day and increasing publicity for the whole website and review team. So I hate to see those members--if they happen to be on the review team--stuck at a low level because their own reviews aren't getting a ton of views and such.

Thanks for reading and thanks for your feedback. :)
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Post by bookowlie » 16 Oct 2016, 22:32

stoppoppingtheP wrote:I agree about having to enter the daily giveaways. Unfortunately I can't really enter them much since they always seem to take place when I'm sleeping, probably due to the time difference, and I don't really feel like getting up at 2AM to do this.
I am surprised you aren't able to enter the giveaways due to the time difference. I thought the chance to enter lasted for at least 12 hours, if not longer. Anyway, sorry it's inconvenient for you to enter.
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Post by hsimone » 17 Oct 2016, 03:27

bookowlie wrote:
stoppoppingtheP wrote:I agree about having to enter the daily giveaways. Unfortunately I can't really enter them much since they always seem to take place when I'm sleeping, probably due to the time difference, and I don't really feel like getting up at 2AM to do this.
I am surprised you aren't able to enter the giveaways due to the time difference. I thought the chance to enter lasted for at least 12 hours, if not longer. Anyway, sorry it's inconvenient for you to enter.
Yeah, definitely. There should be about a 24-hour window to participate in the daily giveaways. You don't have to enter as soon as it is posted. I, too, am in a different time zone for the time being, but have been able to participate fine. But, I am sorry you are having issues. Maybe contact Scott if the link to the giveaways doesn't stay open for you? Good luck!
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Post by bookowlie » 17 Oct 2016, 12:24

Scott wrote:Thanks for the feedback everyone. :)

The points for entering the giveaway are added as bonus points in the popularity score. This is to give those who struggle to get those points an alternative way to get some of those points for popularity. It's possible to get the full 40 for popularity without sharing the Book of the Day. That's how it used to be for most of the history of the review team. For most of the history of the review team, there were no bonus points for sharing or connecting social accounts. It was only a results-based system in terms of how many views etc. that reviewers reviews were getting, which is the primary concern with the popularity portion of the reviewer score. Authors are paying for the reviews in part because the reviews will be seen by many people.

There is inherently going to be a strong correlation between (a) how hard it is to become a higher level and higher scored reviewer versus (b) what the rewards are and how high the payments are. The funds that provide the free books and payments for reviews have to come from somewhere. It's a lot work and effort spread out between a lot of people.

Some individuals focus on sharing their own reviews to build the popularity that way which is the more simple idea behind it and is great. But I like also having an alternative bonus for those who might struggle with that more simple concept but who go out of their way to help benefit the whole review team by sharing the Books of the Day, which have generally all been submitted for review to our team.

Someone in this topic mentioned how there seems to be plenty of books to review lately, for instance. That's in a big way thanks to those members who have been sharing the Book of the Day and increasing publicity for the whole website and review team. So I hate to see those members--if they happen to be on the review team--stuck at a low level because their own reviews aren't getting a ton of views and such.

Thanks for reading and thanks for your feedback. :)
It's true that, up until last year, there were no bonus points for social media - just going up the points ladder based on avg. views and replies for your reviews. As you explained, there are so many angles to consider when coming up with the points formula. The biggest issue for authors to get the extra exposure in order to increase book sales. It's important that reviewers who get more views and replies on their reviews be rewarded with extra points, since they are able to give the author more exposure. Same with people who share the authors' books on social media. Here's the only thing that I feel is a little unbalanced when it comes to points - the views and replies automatically increase when a book is Book of the Day. Since the daily giveaway includes an extra entry for posting a comment, members usually post a comment on the review, no matter whether the review is interesting, the reviewer is unknown/been on the site for a week, the review is dull or poorly written, etc. Sure, over the course of time, many reviewers have gained the benefit of having a review be for the Book of the Day, so there isn't favoritism. Still, compared to the way things were done in the past, basically anyone can get a ton of points whether or not they write good, "popular" reviews...just by the luck of the draw of books that are the Book of the Day.

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Adding...I can see how it benefits the author to get increased views and replies when their book is Book of the Day. It just seems that the reviewer gains a freebie from this. At least, sharing the book on social media is something the reviewer is actively participating in.
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Post by Scott » 17 Oct 2016, 13:14

That's very true about the Book of the Day boost.

I'd like to add a 'subscribe' or 'follow' option for reviewers such that the subscribers would get an email alert each time the reviewer has a new review published. This would be similar to how one can currently subscribe to a specific topic or forum to get notified of new posts or topics respectively. This is feature I'd like to add independently of the next sentence. I think it would be a much better way of measuring the popularity and reach of reviewers than views/replies.

The above might mitigate some of the 'Book of the Day boost' so to speak. I could also make the scoring formula a bit more sophisticated so that it measures previous Books of the Day separately from other reviews. Though, it's all averages anyway so with enough reviews it should average out regardless.
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Post by TrishaAnn92 » 17 Oct 2016, 13:23

Scott wrote:That's very true about the Book of the Day boost.

I'd like to add a 'subscribe' or 'follow' option for reviewers such that the subscribers would get an email alert each time the reviewer has a new review published. This would be similar to how one can currently subscribe to a specific topic or forum to get notified of new posts or topics respectively. This is feature I'd like to add independently of the next sentence. I think it would be a much better way of measuring the popularity and reach of reviewers than views/replies.

I like the idea of adding a subscribe/follow button. It would help reviewers with getting views for their reviews and build a good following such as you would with sites like Twitter or Wordpress, etc.

The above might mitigate some of the 'Book of the Day boost' so to speak. I could also make the scoring formula a bit more sophisticated so that it measures previous Books of the Day separately from other reviews. Though, it's all averages anyway so with enough reviews it should average out regardless.
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Post by bookowlie » 17 Oct 2016, 17:23

Scott wrote:That's very true about the Book of the Day boost.

I'd like to add a 'subscribe' or 'follow' option for reviewers such that the subscribers would get an email alert each time the reviewer has a new review published. This would be similar to how one can currently subscribe to a specific topic or forum to get notified of new posts or topics respectively. This is feature I'd like to add independently of the next sentence. I think it would be a much better way of measuring the popularity and reach of reviewers than views/replies.

The above might mitigate some of the 'Book of the Day boost' so to speak. I could also make the scoring formula a bit more sophisticated so that it measures previous Books of the Day separately from other reviews. Though, it's all averages anyway so with enough reviews it should average out regardless.
Whatever changes you decide to make, it's nice that there have been more review books to pick from. :) I am sure the extra marketing on social media and good ole' word of mouth through the website's growth helped a lot!
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Post by TrishaAnn92 » 17 Oct 2016, 17:26

bookowlie wrote:
Scott wrote:That's very true about the Book of the Day boost.

I'd like to add a 'subscribe' or 'follow' option for reviewers such that the subscribers would get an email alert each time the reviewer has a new review published. This would be similar to how one can currently subscribe to a specific topic or forum to get notified of new posts or topics respectively. This is feature I'd like to add independently of the next sentence. I think it would be a much better way of measuring the popularity and reach of reviewers than views/replies.

The above might mitigate some of the 'Book of the Day boost' so to speak. I could also make the scoring formula a bit more sophisticated so that it measures previous Books of the Day separately from other reviews. Though, it's all averages anyway so with enough reviews it should average out regardless.
Whatever changes you decide to make, it's nice that there have been more review books to pick from. :) I am sure the extra marketing on social media and good ole' word of mouth through the website's growth helped a lot!
I agree. The site has changed and grown so much in the 3 years I have had the pleasure of being on here. :)
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Post by Kia » 17 Oct 2016, 17:45

Scott wrote:That's very true about the Book of the Day boost.

I'd like to add a 'subscribe' or 'follow' option for reviewers such that the subscribers would get an email alert each time the reviewer has a new review published. This would be similar to how one can currently subscribe to a specific topic or forum to get notified of new posts or topics respectively. This is feature I'd like to add independently of the next sentence. I think it would be a much better way of measuring the popularity and reach of reviewers than views/replies.

The above might mitigate some of the 'Book of the Day boost' so to speak. I could also make the scoring formula a bit more sophisticated so that it measures previous Books of the Day separately from other reviews. Though, it's all averages anyway so with enough reviews it should average out regardless.
I was actually thinking about suggesting that recently, so I'm glad you've thought of it! I try really hard to make sure I'm checking out the reviews of the people who check out mine (at a minimum), but it's almost impossible to keep up with it without some kind of notification.
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Post by Kdonegan91 » 08 Nov 2016, 23:10

Sarah_Khan wrote:
TrishaAnn92 wrote:I have to agree. I have been busting my chops trying to get my score higher but there are so many things you have to do, it is time consuming and feels nearly impossible.
I know, I'm in the same boat as you. I don't mean to complain or sound whiny but I have tried my best to increase my score but now since the point system has changed I've lost about 15 points which makes me unable to continue to participate in the First Ten program which sucks since I really enjoyed doing it and I have already committed my time to doing it everyday now it seems like I did it all for nothing. Plus for some reason I can't resubscribe to BOTD. :cry: 
This is exactly what happened to me. I genuinely enjoyed the First Ten reviews but now I am no longer allowed to participate. Also, the author of my most recent review is not responding to my private blurb so I feel like that was a waste of time. I was hoping to get those points so I could get back to a level 3 or 4. Once a reviewer reaches a level, we should not be dropped back down. I hate not being able to review additional books while waiting for the current review to be published especially when it can take a week.
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Post by bookowlie » 09 Nov 2016, 01:15

I know what you mean about the authors. I absolutely can't stand when an author either takes a really long time to approve the blurb or not at all. I have had this happen to me at least 3 times. I mean, these people paid to get a review....why would they delay the process?! At least, now there is a process where you can click on the link for the admin to process the blurb if there is no reply in a week. When I first joined, an author didn't reply for 5 weeks until I finally contacted Scott.
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Post by CatInTheHat » 20 Nov 2016, 14:56

bookowlie wrote:I know what you mean about the authors. I absolutely can't stand when an author either takes a really long time to approve the blurb or not at all. I have had this happen to me at least 3 times. I mean, these people paid to get a review....why would they delay the process?! At least, now there is a process where you can click on the link for the admin to process the blurb if there is no reply in a week. When I first joined, an author didn't reply for 5 weeks until I finally contacted Scott.

A week is reasonable. Five is kind of crazy, glad that changed. I'm currently aggravated on my most recent review as it's been 5-6 days now and the author hasn't approved the blurb confirming I read the book yet.... but it's still within the week, so impatiently I wait to pick a new book. Thankfully, I'm only one point away from level 4 so it should be soon that I get that privilege of not waiting for the next one :)
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Post by bookowlie » 21 Nov 2016, 10:03

CatInTheHat wrote:
bookowlie wrote:I know what you mean about the authors. I absolutely can't stand when an author either takes a really long time to approve the blurb or not at all. I have had this happen to me at least 3 times. I mean, these people paid to get a review....why would they delay the process?! At least, now there is a process where you can click on the link for the admin to process the blurb if there is no reply in a week. When I first joined, an author didn't reply for 5 weeks until I finally contacted Scott.

A week is reasonable. Five is kind of crazy, glad that changed. I'm currently aggravated on my most recent review as it's been 5-6 days now and the author hasn't approved the blurb confirming I read the book yet.... but it's still within the week, so impatiently I wait to pick a new book. Thankfully, I'm only one point away from level 4 so it should be soon that I get that privilege of not waiting for the next one :)
The five week wait was certainly outside the norm. Looking back, I shouldn't have waited so long to ask about the non-response. At the time, you could pick a book right after submitting the review, no matter what level you were. I guess the policy changed at some point.

You mentioned that you are only one point away from the next level. Great!
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Post by CatInTheHat » 21 Nov 2016, 11:35

bookowlie wrote:
The five week wait was certainly outside the norm. Looking back, I shouldn't have waited so long to ask about the non-response. At the time, you could pick a book right after submitting the review, no matter what level you were. I guess the policy changed at some point.

You mentioned that you are only one point away from the next level. Great!
It actually does make sense to have people wait in the beginning, until it is evident that their work is up to par.
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