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Post by bookowlie » 22 Mar 2015, 20:18

ryanj1 wrote:Just forget I mentioned it. It was stupid of me :)
Not stupid at all. :) I actually thought of not responding at all because I think there are two sides of both issues, both valid! I do agree with your reasoning regarding certain low-scored reviews. I come across many reviews where the overall content of the review is very good, but there may be several errors that bring down the score. I try to take that into consideration when giving the overall score. I also take into account how major each of the errors are.

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Janiac02 wrote:I may be exceptionally dense, but is there any way to see what is affecting our editorial analysis score? I completely understand the logic behind not allowing rewrites, but I feel it would be helpful to know what I can improve in my subsequent reviews. I fear I am repeating the same mistakes over and over, and my score keeps gradually decreasing.
I think there is a policy where details of the review score are randomly provided in the review history. You can also PM Scott to request details.
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Post by Janiac02 » 22 Mar 2015, 21:58

Janiac02 wrote:I may be exceptionally dense, but is there any way to see what is affecting our editorial analysis score? I completely understand the logic behind not allowing rewrites, but I feel it would be helpful to know what I can improve in my subsequent reviews. I fear I am repeating the same mistakes over and over, and my score keeps gradually decreasing.
I think there is a policy where details of the review score are randomly provided in the review history. You can also PM Scott to request details.[/quote]

Thank you for the suggestion!
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Post by Scott » 23 Mar 2015, 11:25

Janiac02 wrote:I may be exceptionally dense, but is there any way to see what is affecting our editorial analysis score? I completely understand the logic behind not allowing rewrites, but I feel it would be helpful to know what I can improve in my subsequent reviews. I fear I am repeating the same mistakes over and over, and my score keeps gradually decreasing.
Okay, I looked into your account. I have figured out what is going on. Originally, I configured the editorial comments to only be shown when a review was rejected or to explain a low editorial analysis score. Your score is very good, which is why you are not seeing those comments. I can see this is still not satisfactory since you would still like to improve your score, especially under the new scoring system which even a fairly good score can be 5-10 points off from getting all the possible points. To compensate for that slight point issue, I will build some bonus points in the amount of about 5 points into the formula.

I am changing it now so that everyone can see the editor comments for all of his or her own reviews.

One reason I was hesitant to do this is that I think a big part of what makes reviews great to read and of a high quality is the original, personal touch each reviewer provides. If you are already getting good scores, putting too much effort into taking every piece of advice from the editors could lead to losing what makes one's own reviews uniquely special and uniquely fun to read. While the editor process plays a very important role in keeping up the quality, at the same time we do not want to shove every review into a cookiecutter. That would make things a little boring considering we have thousands of reviews on this site.

I understand the desire to strive for that perfect score. But unless editorial score is the only metric on which somebody has less than full points (in which case one would already be level 6 anyway!), then it would probably be easier to accrue more reviewer points in some of the other metrics.
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Post by bookowlie » 23 Mar 2015, 11:48

Scott wrote:
Janiac02 wrote:I may be exceptionally dense, but is there any way to see what is affecting our editorial analysis score? I completely understand the logic behind not allowing rewrites, but I feel it would be helpful to know what I can improve in my subsequent reviews. I fear I am repeating the same mistakes over and over, and my score keeps gradually decreasing.
Okay, I looked into your account. I have figured out what is going on. Originally, I configured the editorial comments to only be shown when a review was rejected or to explain a low editorial analysis score. Your score is very good, which is why you are not seeing those comments. I can see this is still not satisfactory since you would still like to improve your score, especially under the new scoring system which even a fairly good score can be 5-10 points off from getting all the possible points. To compensate for that slight point issue, I will build some bonus points in the amount of about 5 points into the formula.

I am changing it now so that everyone can see the editor comments for all of his or her own reviews.

One reason I was hesitant to do this is that I think a big part of what makes reviews great to read and of a high quality is the original, personal touch each reviewer provides. If you are already getting good scores, putting too much effort into taking every piece of advice from the editors could lead to losing what makes one's own reviews uniquely special and uniquely fun to read. While the editor process plays a very important role in keeping up the quality, at the same time we do not want to shove every review into a cookiecutter. That would make things a little boring considering we have thousands of reviews on this site.

I understand the desire to strive for that perfect score. But unless editorial score is the only metric on which somebody has less than full points (in which case one would already be level 6 anyway!), then it would probably be easier to accrue more reviewer points in some of the other metrics.
So true about keeping the original, personal touch each reviewer provides! If people start "getting the editors into their head" too much. every review could potentially become too formulaic. It's nice to see the variety of writing styles and little quirks that different reviewers have.
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Post by Janiac02 » 27 Mar 2015, 10:50

Scott wrote: Okay, I looked into your account. I have figured out what is going on. Originally, I configured the editorial comments to only be shown when a review was rejected or to explain a low editorial analysis score. Your score is very good, which is why you are not seeing those comments. I can see this is still not satisfactory since you would still like to improve your score, especially under the new scoring system which even a fairly good score can be 5-10 points off from getting all the possible points. To compensate for that slight point issue, I will build some bonus points in the amount of about 5 points into the formula.

I am changing it now so that everyone can see the editor comments for all of his or her own reviews.

One reason I was hesitant to do this is that I think a big part of what makes reviews great to read and of a high quality is the original, personal touch each reviewer provides. If you are already getting good scores, putting too much effort into taking every piece of advice from the editors could lead to losing what makes one's own reviews uniquely special and uniquely fun to read. While the editor process plays a very important role in keeping up the quality, at the same time we do not want to shove every review into a cookiecutter. That would make things a little boring considering we have thousands of reviews on this site.

I understand the desire to strive for that perfect score. But unless editorial score is the only metric on which somebody has less than full points (in which case one would already be level 6 anyway!), then it would probably be easier to accrue more reviewer points in some of the other metrics.
I can understand the logic behind not wanting to show the editor comments. It is sometimes hard to forget that our review scores are not an academic GPA. I appreciate being able to see those comments, but I will take them with a grain of salt. You are right-- it would make more sense to concentrate on things like participating in the book of the month, and especially review popularity.

Side note-- you totally don't have to give me my way when I whine. Sometimes I'm a spaz for no good reason. :shifty:
Oh-- and thanks for the building in the bonus points!
bookowlie wrote: So true about keeping the original, personal touch each reviewer provides! If people start "getting the editors into their head" too much. every review could potentially become too formulaic. It's nice to see the variety of writing styles and little quirks that different reviewers have.
That's a good point, and I also enjoy reading commentary in the reviewer's own "voice".
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I chose a book on the 21st of march called A scab is no son of mine' - I am finished reading the book last night. I have written the review how do I submit it? Amera7
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Post by ALynnPowers » 28 Mar 2015, 04:44

Amera7 wrote:I chose a book on the 21st of march called A scab is no son of mine' - I am finished reading the book last night. I have written the review how do I submit it? Amera7
Post it in the review team forum.

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Post by Duende Knocking » 31 Mar 2015, 02:00

Seeing the comments was very helpful for me. My reviewer score is pretty good, so I didn't have the chance to see the editors' comments until recently. I saw the same comment come up on 3 of my 4 reviews and I know what I need to work on now (I repeatedly forget to recommend the books to a specific audiences; oops).

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Post by Kappy » 31 Mar 2015, 17:39

Scott wrote:I am changing it now so that everyone can see the editor comments for all of his or her own reviews.
Good decision! Thanks very much. One question, though: how long does it typically take for the comments to show up on new reviews? My latest review was published three days ago, but the editor score and comments are still unavailable to me.
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Post by Scott » 31 Mar 2015, 17:58

Kappy wrote:
Scott wrote:I am changing it now so that everyone can see the editor comments for all of his or her own reviews.
Good decision! Thanks very much. One question, though: how long does it typically take for the comments to show up on new reviews? My latest review was published three days ago, but the editor score and comments are still unavailable to me.
The comments should be available before the review is published since they are needed to approve publishing (or not :shock: ).

If this case is about the review of Holding Fire, I think I published that review myself without other editorial approval.
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Post by Kappy » 31 Mar 2015, 18:33

Scott wrote:If this case is about the review of Holding Fire, I think I published that review myself without other editorial approval.
Indeed, that is what I was referring to. Thanks for clearing it up.
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Post by sjauhar » 05 May 2015, 19:59

I joined the review team a few weeks ago and tried to review a book that wasn't downloading. I did send a few emails asking for help, but never received a reply. When I did finally open the book, there was nothing but symbols and blank pages. I even had Comcast out here as I thought it was something wrong with the internet s it slowed down after I tried to download the book to the point that nothing was loading. Even the Comcast Technician (after changing out the router and making sure the internet speed was back up to par) couldn't get the book to open. I tried PC Kindle app, my Kindle, Kindle Android, Adobe, Word, NotePad. I have just sent another email to Scott asking why I am banned now from the review team when I never got a reply to the issue I was having with the downloaded book. If there was another program I needed to download in order to open it, I would have done so, but since I never heard back from anyone via email, there wasn't much I could do other than keep trying to open the book and trying to download it (again and again and again). Was pretty upset that I finally got my email only for it to tell me that I had been banned from the review team. Other than the initial email when I created my account, this was the first email I had ever gotten and I check my email daily. I also tried checking the email on my account here, but nothing is there and it says that I am not authorized to use it. I do know that while I was waiting for Comcast to come out (it took them 2 weeks to come out) that I would log on to the account here and it wouldn't show that I was on (or let me post to any forum) which is why I thought, at first, that the issue may have been with Comcast. I was looking forward to reviewing the book and it sounded interesting to me, but I cannot review something that wouldn't open. It wouldn't have been right or fair to others on this site nor to the author.

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Post by gali » 05 May 2015, 21:51

@"sjauhar", I suggest you pm (send a private message) Scott about this.
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Post by Scott » 06 May 2015, 13:48

sjauhar wrote:I joined the review team a few weeks ago and tried to review a book that wasn't downloading. I did send a few emails asking for help, but never received a reply. When I did finally open the book, there was nothing but symbols and blank pages. I even had Comcast out here as I thought it was something wrong with the internet s it slowed down after I tried to download the book to the point that nothing was loading. Even the Comcast Technician (after changing out the router and making sure the internet speed was back up to par) couldn't get the book to open. I tried PC Kindle app, my Kindle, Kindle Android, Adobe, Word, NotePad. I have just sent another email to Scott asking why I am banned now from the review team when I never got a reply to the issue I was having with the downloaded book. If there was another program I needed to download in order to open it, I would have done so, but since I never heard back from anyone via email, there wasn't much I could do other than keep trying to open the book and trying to download it (again and again and again). Was pretty upset that I finally got my email only for it to tell me that I had been banned from the review team. Other than the initial email when I created my account, this was the first email I had ever gotten and I check my email daily. I also tried checking the email on my account here, but nothing is there and it says that I am not authorized to use it. I do know that while I was waiting for Comcast to come out (it took them 2 weeks to come out) that I would log on to the account here and it wouldn't show that I was on (or let me post to any forum) which is why I thought, at first, that the issue may have been with Comcast. I was looking forward to reviewing the book and it sounded interesting to me, but I cannot review something that wouldn't open. It wouldn't have been right or fair to others on this site nor to the author.
I have already replied by email to the message you sent me using the contact form about this.
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Post by maedae123 » 07 May 2015, 08:57

I am waiting for my review to either get approved or rejected. I really want to start my next book. Can anyone look into this for me and let me know what is going on??

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