Oh, no, I disagree with a lot that the Jehova Witness say,.. My argument is quite close to Adventist's views,sj_robert wrote:Are you by any chance a Jehovah's Witness? I had a close friend once who introduced me to an alternative concept of Hell which is quite similar to what you've stated. I strongly believe that religion is a political tool and that Hell was an actual Sulphur mine located in medieval Palestine (the burning sulphur and brimstone bit). Nice review Geoffrey.geoffrey ngoima wrote:Actually it's admirable, it's good to question, I've done it, still do, but your heart must be in the right place.eelavahs-jay wrote:Excellent review. I definitely think that with the evolution of science it's becoming more difficult people for to believe in anything they can't see. I'm not quite sure this book is for me because I'm still trying to connect with my Christian faith and this sounds like it'll make me more objective than I already am There are some things I don't think I'll ever understand and you brought it up in your review. How can we be evil if we're made in the image of God? And if Jesus and God aren't the same why do we worship Jesus?
You know what, I just might read this book. It seems I'm not the only one questioning these things.
Why would God not destroy the devil instead of leaving him to run a rampage on Earth? I mean, if we're to take Revelations and the story of Noah's arc into consideration then the almighty obviously has no qualms about destroying the wicked
I'm rambling...forgive me. Okay, maybe it isn't such a good idea to read this book. I'm indecisive.
My two cents on this? You have to seek tHe truth and not just some principle that would make one's way of living convenient for one. Look, evil had to be there because Choice was there. For you to choose there must be options, bad or good; otherwise, we would have been robots. Evil is just a tool used by God to perpetuate choice, and it is us that perpetuate evil (money/power is the root of all evil). If evil is too much it has to be destroyed, obviously, otherwise, the world would be too corrupt to be salvaged (but with God nothing's impossible, so.) About Jesus, this is what I told someone in this very thread "@Kelebogile... I didn't know that, ...though I've always thought that we (humans) are three in one, i.e., body, soul and Spirit; & seeing as we're created in God's image, God's also 3 in 1; Body (Jesus), Soul (The Father), and Spirit (The Holy Ghost); 1 and the same, just as you are one and the same. Just my thoughts, I'd like to know your thoughts... ' "
My only doubt about the Bible is the hell phenomenon. I don't see the need to subject people to eternal damnation for things they did in 10 or 20 or 50 or even 150 years in this cruel world. The word eternal mixed with damnation is just a little too cruel for any reason and for whoever is administering the judgment, even God. I always felt that tidbits about the Bible were just altered/added by the Roman or whoever was powerful enough to do it. Even the Bible itself says it can be altered and pronounces judgment on anyone who would. & what is the age limit of going to hell, anyway? 12? 15? 18? I just find it hard to see kids burning in hell. Forever!
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The hell scriptures are just interpreted wrongly, you'd have to have a bigger picture of the Bible message to get it...
When you really think about it (and from the evidence of countless scripture verses like Romans 6:23 (NIV) For the wages of sin is death [not eternal damnation], but the gift of God is eternal life in[a] Christ Jesus our Lord." that discount eternal damnation. There's hell and it's eternal fires but no eternal damnation, well, at least for humans, according to my (and I believe the correct) Bible interpretation.
(("Jehovah's [notice spelling] Witnesses and Seventh-Day Adventists have a lot in common. Ultimately they spring from mid-19th-century Millerism, the Adventists directly and the Witnesses more indirectly. Miller had calculated that Jesus would return in 1844, which didn't happen, but the Seventh-Day Adventists that emerged with Ellen White as their "prophetess" continued to assume that the year was somehow prophetically significant; indeed they still do."))
My argument is quite common sense; even an earthly father who isn't nearly as loving ad the Heavenly Father wouldn't even think of subjecting his son to an eternal punishment,... Mathew 10:28 "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell." The hidden message here is souls will be destroyed in hell.
& my friend, hell isn't located anywhere right now, there's no scriptural evidence of that, the devil is on earth roaming across it ... Job 1:7 "The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Satan answered the LORD, "From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it." He isn't in charge like some folklores explain and lie to us. Hell will be on earth (the whole of it) when Christ will come back and the glory of his brightness will burn them... 2 Thessalonians 2:8 "And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:.." That's my interpretation today... About the "eternal" fires, the Bible uses that word in various instances (check them out with a Bible app) but it doesn't mean "eternal" like we know it, it just means the work/purpose/aftermath of the fire will be eternal.