Is there misogyny in the book?

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Mstrtim wrote: 13 Jun 2020, 13:20 If not misogyny, there is considerable sexual stereotyping given to the women. The author exploits Eve's vanity and the vanity of her daughter Eva. The obsession with personal appearance is over the top as Eve struts around in new clothes. Consider, also, that Eva creates the first "handbag" that contains a sewing kit and comb. Why is this even necessary to include in the story?
Yeah I didn't like this bit either: seemed very unnecessary. I found the women far less well developed in the book than the men. Maybe this is right for the times but I personally thought it was annoying.
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The book aside, sometimes, I think that the bible (old testament) promoted misogyny and patriarchy.
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All Abrahamic religions contain ideas that today's people would find misogynistic. We should not forget that the Bible is a text written in an ancient desert. I quote the words I heard in an interview about Saudi Arabia a few weeks ago:

"In a desert, everything is always extreme. Either it is day or night. Either very cold or very hot. That gives the illusion that the world is divided into two. Either you are with me or not. Either you are good or evil. Either light or darkness"

To further elaborate on this idea of absolute division, desert people tend to distinguish between male and female in ways that other tribes do not. The Piraha tribe of the Amazon for example, according to the book "do not sleep, there are snakes", does not have such extreme divisions, and males wear at times female clothing.
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Of course there is misogyny in this book. Every organized religion in the world contains at least some degree of misogyny, and some a great deal. That's why we call it "the patriarchy."
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There isn't any misogyny in the book but there is inequality
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The book only referenced from what is written in the bible. No, the book isn't misogynist. Perhaps the original one.
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I think that even in the Bible from which the author’s book derives, there is indeed a bit of misogyny since Eve was a meted a much greater punishment than Adam. Some may say that it was well deserved since she was the one who first gave into temptation but I think that the punishment was far greater than her wrongdoing. So it is expected that the book will have a slight element of misogyny as well.
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Misogyny in Biblical books-- not necessarily directly biblical books, but books dealing with the themes and stories prevalent in the Bible-- is always an interesting topic. We have the idea of balancing our understanding that the text on which "Killing Abel" was based on often treated their female characters much more harshly than their male counterparts, with our more modern context of what misogyny is.

Saying that, "Killing Abel" definitely showcased that Adam and Eve were punished "justly" for their crimes, but maybe Eve's punishment (having her freewill taken away) seemed harsher because of the way we, ladies, still struggle with the perception of having less of a vocal choice in real life than men.
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Looking from a feminist's point of view, one would say that there's some sort of prejudice against the female race. This is due to the submissive role that Eve plays towards Adam. However, I think God willed for every partner in marriage to submit to each other.
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FaithMO19 wrote: 03 Jun 2020, 09:41 I don't think there's misogyny in the book. We shouldn't consider the gravity of their punishments because both of them perpetrated the act, and they both got punished for it.
Seems to me like you're low-key just disregarding the gravity of Eve's punishment weighing more than Adam's. I personally think she was punished right, since she incorporated Adam into the act of the fall after she'd been tricked by the serpent based on the original story .
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I don't think that there is misogyny, God knows all so all of his punishments he knew were going to be fair and just.
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When I look back at the story of creation, I think they were both punished severely. Adam was doomed to till the earth and slave away until he died and returned to that same earth. Both man and woman was fated to struggle.
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moowshiri wrote: 21 Jun 2020, 14:36 Looking from a feminist's point of view, one would say that there's some sort of prejudice against the female race. This is due to the submissive role that Eve plays towards Adam. However, I think God willed for every partner in marriage to submit to each other.
Yes I agree that in marriage every partner needs to submit to the other. That's what makes it a marriage. In the modern world, one cannot expect to dominate over their wife/husband in their partnership. It is not a parent-child relationship. You cannot have a successful relationship if you do not know how to relate.
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Both Adam and Eve were punished. However, if you read the original story while both are punished only the Woman (Eve) gets the promise of the Saviour coming through her. God is just! He rewarded her for putting the blame where it belonged on the serpent.
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Awesomeliker wrote: 02 Jun 2020, 13:40 Eve's punishment was quite brutal in my opinion. I'm not saying Adam's wasn't but Eve had to give up her free will. What's your opinion?
I don't think there's misogyny in the book. The author is just writing the story from the point of view of the bible.
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