What do you think about the characters' naivete re technology and basic science?

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That is a good point! I did think that the characters were overly naive on many levels. Now that you mentioned it, technology and basic science are good examples of their naiveté. I agree with you on this!
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The book had a lot of loose ends and needed to be reviewed again for proper closure of unsure plots and removal of unnecessary ideas. There were a lot going on in the story itself and in the myriad of characters that were in it.
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Stephanie Elizabeth wrote: 14 Jun 2019, 12:21
Nisha Ward wrote: 13 Jun 2019, 16:32 In reading this book, I've found some very weird bits that don't make sense in a modern context. When Sky first meets Cynthia, he assumes that she doesn't know what a smart phone is and then Cynthia doesn't seem to understand basic things like sex leading to pregnancy and what Plan B is and how abortificents work. Furthermore, I've also found this with Tim, who's supposed to be this geeky, nerdy guy into computer science and technology not knowing how to hide IP addresses or how computers can connect wirelessly.

In the context of the book, neither of these things make any sense. What do you guys think? Were there other examples of this?
I agree with you about Cynthia's lack of common sense. Unless she has been living under a rock for her whole life, how can she forget that unprotected sex causes pregnancy? Even scarier, STDs! The fact that she had no idea what Plan B was confused me. Why was her character made to be so clueless?
This was confusing to me as well. I don't know if the author wanted cluelessness to be a flaw in her character or if he genuinely believes some women don't know how pregnancy happens.
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mmm17 wrote: 21 Jun 2019, 10:21 That is a good point! I did think that the characters were overly naive on many levels. Now that you mentioned it, technology and basic science are good examples of their naiveté. I agree with you on this!
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Juliana_Isabella wrote: 21 Jun 2019, 11:09
Stephanie Elizabeth wrote: 14 Jun 2019, 12:21
Nisha Ward wrote: 13 Jun 2019, 16:32 In reading this book, I've found some very weird bits that don't make sense in a modern context. When Sky first meets Cynthia, he assumes that she doesn't know what a smart phone is and then Cynthia doesn't seem to understand basic things like sex leading to pregnancy and what Plan B is and how abortificents work. Furthermore, I've also found this with Tim, who's supposed to be this geeky, nerdy guy into computer science and technology not knowing how to hide IP addresses or how computers can connect wirelessly.

In the context of the book, neither of these things make any sense. What do you guys think? Were there other examples of this?
I agree with you about Cynthia's lack of common sense. Unless she has been living under a rock for her whole life, how can she forget that unprotected sex causes pregnancy? Even scarier, STDs! The fact that she had no idea what Plan B was confused me. Why was her character made to be so clueless?
This was confusing to me as well. I don't know if the author wanted cluelessness to be a flaw in her character or if he genuinely believes some women don't know how pregnancy happens.
I think the author was using it as a teaching moment for the audience because she has a supplemental about it in the back of the book, but it fell flat because it really didn't work in the context in which it was written.
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Being the Head of Security for a Senator in Washington DC who is raging a cyber war on terrorists. The whole premise of this book, yet such superficial characters that coupled with a lack of more intricate details concerning that war other than basic code breaking, not very realistic.
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Dragonsend wrote: 21 Jun 2019, 20:46 Being the Head of Security for a Senator in Washington DC who is raging a cyber war on terrorists. The whole premise of this book, yet such superficial characters that coupled with a lack of more intricate details concerning that war other than basic code breaking, not very realistic.
Definitely. There were a lot of ways to go with the cyber stuff but code breaking and hacking were all we were shown and not much of it either.
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Stephanie Elizabeth wrote: 14 Jun 2019, 12:21
Nisha Ward wrote: 13 Jun 2019, 16:32 In reading this book, I've found some very weird bits that don't make sense in a modern context. When Sky first meets Cynthia, he assumes that she doesn't know what a smart phone is and then Cynthia doesn't seem to understand basic things like sex leading to pregnancy and what Plan B is and how abortificents work. Furthermore, I've also found this with Tim, who's supposed to be this geeky, nerdy guy into computer science and technology not knowing how to hide IP addresses or how computers can connect wirelessly.

In the context of the book, neither of these things make any sense. What do you guys think? Were there other examples of this?
I agree with you about Cynthia's lack of common sense. Unless she has been living under a rock for her whole life, how can she forget that unprotected sex causes pregnancy? Even scarier, STDs! The fact that she had no idea what Plan B was confused me. Why was her character made to be so clueless?
I agree with you both. I think even people living under the rock these days know that unprotected sex result in pregnancy. :D
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briellejee wrote: 18 Jun 2019, 04:33 I agree with you about Cynthia's character being clueless in most things. Surely, a woman of her "intelligence" (considering she's part of the cyberwar plan), knows that babies don't come out just because. I guess these plotholes were overlooked. But then again, this being bordered on technological aspects, have no excuse for that, because, I mean, duh? It is such an obvious flaw.
Yeah. The fact that she is clueless about a baby but smart about being part of a cyber war raises some questions.
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Nisha Ward wrote: 22 Jun 2019, 07:51
Dragonsend wrote: 21 Jun 2019, 20:46 Being the Head of Security for a Senator in Washington DC who is raging a cyber war on terrorists. The whole premise of this book, yet such superficial characters that coupled with a lack of more intricate details concerning that war other than basic code breaking, not very realistic.
Definitely. There were a lot of ways to go with the cyber stuff but code breaking and hacking were all we were shown and not much of it either.
All in all, I believe the book could have used someone to go through it and hammer out the details of some of these plot elements.
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I agree with you. In our modern society, this is not natural that a girl doesn't know about pregnancy and things like that. A computer genius should know every detail about the computer and internet. I found that a little odd.
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I'm glad you pointed this out, as it was my least favorite aspect of this book. To be honest, I couldn't finish the book because Cynthia just drove me crazy. I felt like the book was a little anti-feminist to show her as being so lacking.
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briellejee wrote: 18 Jun 2019, 04:33 I agree with you about Cynthia's character being clueless in most things. Surely, a woman of her "intelligence" (considering she's part of the cyberwar plan), knows that babies don't come out just because. I guess these plotholes were overlooked. But then again, this being bordered on technological aspects, have no excuse for that, because, I mean, duh? It is such an obvious flaw.
I agree. Some plotholes can be overlooked, but this part just doesn't make any sense, and her naiveté can easily be perceived as unbelievable instead of whatever the purpose the author had in mind...
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Lunastella wrote: 24 Jun 2019, 11:43
briellejee wrote: 18 Jun 2019, 04:33 I agree with you about Cynthia's character being clueless in most things. Surely, a woman of her "intelligence" (considering she's part of the cyberwar plan), knows that babies don't come out just because. I guess these plotholes were overlooked. But then again, this being bordered on technological aspects, have no excuse for that, because, I mean, duh? It is such an obvious flaw.
I agree. Some plotholes can be overlooked, but this part just doesn't make any sense, and her naiveté can easily be perceived as unbelievable instead of whatever the purpose the author had in mind...
And to think that her naiveté doesn't suit her job is something I find frustrating. :roll2:
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aolayide wrote: 22 Jun 2019, 15:48
briellejee wrote: 18 Jun 2019, 04:33 I agree with you about Cynthia's character being clueless in most things. Surely, a woman of her "intelligence" (considering she's part of the cyberwar plan), knows that babies don't come out just because. I guess these plotholes were overlooked. But then again, this being bordered on technological aspects, have no excuse for that, because, I mean, duh? It is such an obvious flaw.
Yeah. The fact that she is clueless about a baby but smart about being part of a cyber war raises some questions.
It is infuriating whenever I remember this. This is definitely some poor writing of one's characters. Tsk.
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