Do you think this book marks the end or christianity?

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Re: Do you think this book marks the end or christianity?

Post by dragonet07 » 27 May 2019, 23:00

juliusotieno02 wrote:
02 May 2019, 06:03
What do you think was the aim of this book especially considering all the research the author had to carry out to aid him in writing the book? Do you think his intentions were just to dispense knowladge and not an attack to christianity? If this book is read by many people across the world, do you think it might put an end to christianity?
I honestly cannot say what the author's intention was in writing this book. I've learned by now that that rarely leads to meaningful examinations of the work. However, my personal view of what the author wrote made me think that he is not so much trying to attack Christianity itself but the narrow-mindedness of those who study and interpret the Bible. He seems to merely be presenting an alternate reading of a well-known story in the hopes that people will begin to analyze the Bible from more than just the most widely distributed reading. That's not to say that the author didn't have some bias in his writings. He definitely seems to, especially in his attitude toward biblical scholars and the writers of the New Testament, and from an academic perspective, such bias bothers me. However, I don't see any evidence in his writing that he meant to do anything other than get people to view the scripture with a new eye.

Would this book put an end to Christianity if it were read widely throughout the world? No, definitely not. I agree with everyone else; the institution of Christianity is too old and too ingrained into our society to be eradicated by one book alone, especially since it is not really undermining Christian teachings, just redefining them a little. In fact, I doubt that Christianity could be entirely put to an end in our lifetime. One book or radical thought could be a catalyst for the change--although I'm not sure if this is that book--but that would require the change to pick up momentum, which cannot be accomplished by one book alone.
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Post by AntonelaMaria » 28 May 2019, 05:00

Short answer would be ...No.
Connecting Bible passages and telling what he or she believes them to be said is something every christian does when reading Bible or most of them...But I can only speak for myself and for that all I can say is I find his book to be his interpretation, and one book can never be end of religion.

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Post by Amy+++ » 28 May 2019, 07:59

I feel that the author is trying to educate us on the subject.

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Post by Amanda Newton » 28 May 2019, 22:16

56lives wrote:
24 May 2019, 08:26
I do not understand the question properly. Is it the end of Christianity? If yes, then I will say that a single book based on academic research cannot end Christianity. Christianity has stood the test of time, actually more than 2000 years. I believe that Christianity is more than a religion. It is life. As such no publication will ever stop its surge.
This explains how I feel. I feel like no published book, no matter how well written, can END Christianity.

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Post by vivalatianne » 28 May 2019, 23:00

I don’t think so... Christianity is HUGE! And it won’t just end by one book. It will take a lot of effort, research, protest and DEBATE.

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Post by beccabecky » 29 May 2019, 00:33

I don't think a single book can end christianity. I can make some people begin researching their faith in a deeper way, however.

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Post by InStoree » 29 May 2019, 08:53

vivalatianne wrote:
28 May 2019, 23:00
I don’t think so... Christianity is HUGE! And it won’t just end by one book. It will take a lot of effort, research, protest and DEBATE.
Even in a wasteland scenario, like The Book of Eli, Christianity survived 🙂.

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Post by vivalatianne » 29 May 2019, 13:20

InStoree wrote:
29 May 2019, 08:53
vivalatianne wrote:
28 May 2019, 23:00
I don’t think so... Christianity is HUGE! And it won’t just end by one book. It will take a lot of effort, research, protest and DEBATE.
Even in a wasteland scenario, like The Book of Eli, Christianity survived 🙂.
Precisely my point

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Post by VernaVi » 29 May 2019, 16:30

No, this book will not end Christianity. It may, however, have some serious negative effects on Gnosticism.Great conversation!

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Post by Sahansdal » 29 May 2019, 21:23

esp1975 wrote:
24 May 2019, 19:54
If every Christian read this book AND if every Christian then accepted the author's conclusions, then perhaps this book could end Christianity. Certainly, the ideas that Christ was NOT sacrificed, and that the only way to be saved is to study with a living Master, run antithetical to Christian teachings.
However, not every Christian is going to read this book, and even for those that do, I think it is safe to say, based on the responses on this thread alone, most are not going to accept the author's conclusions.
As many have mentioned, there have been numerous threats to Christianity over the years, including ones that have come from differing translations of the Bible. Just think about how many different versions are in use right now!
As a non religious person, I find these arguments fascinating, but did not feel the author supported them well enough for me to fully accept them. I would like to see an actual Biblical scholar take this up and respond, just because I think the debate would be incredibly enlightening.
Me, too. I hope you can find one for me. (The Author.)

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Post by Sahansdal » 29 May 2019, 21:30

InStoree wrote:
26 May 2019, 09:52
Zeix wrote:
25 May 2019, 00:07
Not many people read books, so for Christianity to end it would take more than a book to do so.
😀 Indeed, those who are not book's fans will miss the so-called end of Christianity! But, what if the book is so good that a movie will be produced, and then some soundtracks with the same message, and then t-shirts, pens, pillows and so on? The book will spread like a virus and eliminate the Christians, one by one. And even so, I still think that there will be one or two who would have missed the lesson. 🙂
When I say Christianity is over, I mean it is because the period evidence for it being inauthentic is now found. It is nothing to do with religious argument, which is also possible, but is a literary origins argument. The New Testament Gospel story isn't original, nor is it informative. It is disinformation -- and for a specific purpose: to hide succession. This isn't even particularly unique to history, either.

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Post by Browlyns » 30 May 2019, 03:08

No, christianity has never been influenced by opinions of people governments etc. Their greatest pillar is faith, believing in something that has not happened. So this auther will be dismissed as another agent of the devil.

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Post by Anthony__ » 31 May 2019, 14:57

The book can not end Christianity that have been existing for centuries. I guess the author expressed his opinion.

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Post by Dragonsend » 31 May 2019, 21:28

Chrystal Oaks wrote:
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alicia_fountain wrote:
24 May 2019, 18:03
Hi Julius,

Your question raises an important subject. Many psychologists, sociologists, archaeologists believe that religion arose out of psychological need to feel important. One answer to your question is that no, no book will be the end of religion. However, you spoke only of Christianity. Simply put, religion is in the eye of the beholder. Christianity may still meet it's demise one day, but it is not because of this book. Misreading Judas was published approximately 2.5 years ago and did not add very much to the biblical literary community.

It is funny that you ask if this book marks the end of Christianity. Christianity is still going strong. Religion in general is still going strong. New ways of thinking are constantly changing Christianity so that it feels new and good to the newer generations.
You raise some excellent points. The idea of religion having developed to satisfy the psychological need of importance makes sense, because once individuals feel important than it's a slippery-slope to thinking it's okay to control and belittle others. As far as Christianity changing, I agree. It's changed in my lifetime and sometimes wonder how much it has changed over the two millennia. :eusa-think:
Interesting but here is the thing, a Christian gives the Glory to God. This doesn't lessen nor enlarge your importance. We already are the only reasoning beings on Earth. The top of the food chain, so to speak ,if we take to much credit we miss all the small things and fail to appreciate them.
The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. 2 Peter 3:9 :angelic-grayflying:

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Post by Daniel_ » 03 Jun 2019, 00:58

Mark the end of Christianity?... Impossible!
Christianity which as being for thousands of years before us can't be brought to an end by a book. Asides, beyond Christianity being a religion is a thing of the heart.

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