Do you think this book marks the end or christianity?

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Re: Do you think this book marks the end or christianity?

Post by Sahansdal » 13 Jun 2019, 16:08

LinaMueller wrote:
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No, of course not. Are you serious? A lot of genius like Nietzsche and Marx have been trying (for the last centuries) to destroy Christianity without success.
One need not be a genius. I'm not! I'm a practicing Mystic. I understand what happened, or at least the bulk of it.

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Post by LinaMueller » 14 Jun 2019, 10:47

Sahansdal wrote:
13 Jun 2019, 16:08
LinaMueller wrote:
12 Jun 2019, 19:27
No, of course not. Are you serious? A lot of genius like Nietzsche and Marx have been trying (for the last centuries) to destroy Christianity without success.
One need not be a genius. I'm not! I'm a practicing Mystic. I understand what happened, or at least the bulk of it.
I understand what you are saying but the point here is that Misreading Judas cannot mark the end of Christianity. No book can destroy Christianity. Maybe some events like wars of religion between Christianity and Islam can mark the end of any specific religion but books definitely not.

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Post by Helen_Combe » 14 Jun 2019, 13:40

The only way to wipe out a religion is to wipe out the people who believe in it. Those who believe will not be swayed by any argument.
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Post by Sahansdal » 14 Jun 2019, 18:08

Helen_Combe wrote:
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The only way to wipe out a religion is to wipe out the people who believe in it. Those who believe will not be swayed by any argument.
Helen, I don't think that's true. I used to be a Christian. Then I learned more about the Bible from sources that are not apologetic. I suggest everyone in Christendom do the same. There is much factual information to learn which you will not see from within the confines of Church teaching. Don't depend on any one source, including this one.

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Post by ShailaSheshadri » 23 Jun 2019, 03:48

Not at all! A book can't change the minds of the enormous number of Christians who deeply follow Christianity. This book may change the minds of a few Christians. However, Christianity has deep roots which no one can destroy.

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Post by Brendan Donaghy » 23 Jun 2019, 06:22

Sahansdal wrote:
11 Jun 2019, 22:05
Joe Hadithi wrote:
10 Jun 2019, 17:47
The dead sea scrolls didn't, so I don't see why this would.
Regarding the DSS, Joe. Yes, they did end it. Read Dr. Eisenman's books on it.http://roberteisenman.com/
I've just noticed the link you provided there. Looks interesting - thanks for that!

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Post by Jgideon » 24 Jun 2019, 04:23

There is no way that the book would cause an end to Christianity. Christianity has survived many attacks so far and it wouldn't be shaken by the book.

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Post by Sahansdal » 26 Jun 2019, 11:00

esp1975 wrote:
24 May 2019, 19:54
If every Christian read this book AND if every Christian then accepted the author's conclusions, then perhaps this book could end Christianity. Certainly, the ideas that Christ was NOT sacrificed, and that the only way to be saved is to study with a living Master, run antithetical to Christian teachings.
However, not every Christian is going to read this book, and even for those that do, I think it is safe to say, based on the responses on this thread alone, most are not going to accept the author's conclusions.
As many have mentioned, there have been numerous threats to Christianity over the years, including ones that have come from differing translations of the Bible. Just think about how many different versions are in use right now!
As a non religious person, I find these arguments fascinating, but did not feel the author supported them well enough for me to fully accept them. I would like to see an actual Biblical scholar take this up and respond, just because I think the debate would be incredibly enlightening.
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Post by Sahansdal » 26 Jun 2019, 11:16

CambaReviewer wrote:
27 May 2019, 12:22
This book cannot end Christianity. No book or ideology can. If they could, it would have ended thousands of years ago.
This is the author, Camba. I present new information never before seen, since before 1978. And I interpret it correctly for the first time. I believe I prove that. I would love to see more discussion of the evidence I presented.

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Post by Sahansdal » 26 Jun 2019, 11:40

Helen_Combe wrote:
14 Jun 2019, 13:40
The only way to wipe out a religion is to wipe out the people who believe in it. Those who believe will not be swayed by any argument.
Helen,
My target audience is not presently living. It is future generations. I wish someone had warned me 50 years ago, when I was reading the Bible for the first time. I knew it was speaking with authority, but I didn't understand it. I do now.

This will take one generation ,or two, once the scholars get on board. That will take some time, of course. - the Author

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Post by Wambui-nj » 27 Jun 2019, 13:37

No. A single fiction book can not shake a firm religion like Christianity. It might be controversial and may evoke serious questions but his ideas can't be substantiated.

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Post by Sahansdal » 27 Jun 2019, 15:46

Wambui-nj wrote:
27 Jun 2019, 13:37
No. A single fiction book can not shake a firm religion like Christianity. It might be controversial and may evoke serious questions but his ideas can't be substantiated.
What does that mean, Wambui? Can the Bible be substantiated? Be specific, please.

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Post by Gracedscribe » 27 Jun 2019, 22:59

That's sort of like saying that a fairy dies every time someone says 'I don't believe in fairies.' (Anyone remember that from Peter Pan?) Can we then wipe out the fairy population if there were enough people to say the dreaded words aloud? Sure! But the resurrection of a dead fairy started with a single person chanting a belief of faith.
You may be able to wipe out believers temporarily, but evidence, and the availability of written research and a thirst for knowledge in the human mind will always lead to a new set of believers, and ensure a resurrection (if needed) and the continuance of Christianity, or anything worth believing in.
It's been evidenced within the Bible and even throughout history - there is always a remnant left.

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Post by kwame1977 » 28 Jun 2019, 02:08

Christianity has suffered persecutions for centuries but has not ended. I see that the author is just dispensing knowledge. The author lacks the Holy Spirit. In his research, I recommend he prays for God's direction through the acknowledgement of the Holy Spirit.

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Post by Sam_Ibeh » 28 Jun 2019, 05:49

Well Christianity has been put on the brink in the past. On one of such occasions, It took some philosophical cases made by some priests to save Christianity. Though I'm not averse to the thoughts Robert Wahler shared, I think it's going to take more than a book to bring an end to Christianity.

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