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Re: What is your take about the author?

Post by Sahansdal » 10 Jun 2019, 13:45

AntonelaMaria wrote:
10 Jun 2019, 10:47
0728184928 wrote:
06 Jun 2019, 11:16
the book will rise confusion among Christian believers but historian will benefit from.
Do you actually believe that? Because I 'm not confused.
Hello AntonelaMaria. I am hoping to share with others, especially Christians, new information that informs the New Testament. There is much more to the Gospel story than even scholars know. I practice the mysticism that is at the heart of ALL of these teachings. I'm telling you there is an even better reality than the one we have all been taught. Your Master is always a living one, alive when you are. This is what John 9:4 says in the original "sent US" version. The real Master of that time was James, not Jesus.

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Post by Sahansdal » 10 Jun 2019, 13:46

AntonelaMaria wrote:
10 Jun 2019, 10:44
Renu G wrote:
02 May 2019, 05:34
The author had responded to my comment on LinkedIn by stating that the findings spell the end of Christianity. What nonsense!
I see the author engaging here in a discussion about the book which is good I guess. But maybe it would be better to have an open conversation with a special topic open about it and not to come out of the left field.
I'm eager to share - anytime. (the author)

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Post by Sahansdal » 12 Jun 2019, 16:58

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I had the impression that the author was from a Christian background, but had become disillusioned and felt then a pull to delve deeper into the history of the faith. Of course, I could be wrong!
This is the author. You are correct. I was a Christian for three years, from 1972-1974. A year later, in 1975, I became what I still am today, a practicing mystic/gnostic with the Radha Soami Satsang Beas, of Beas, India.

The reality of the collection of gnostic texts and Dead Sea Scrolls completely changes the way we see Scripture. The New Testament is now clearly derived fiction, not history. It is factional in nature and not informative, but rather it is disinformation. True spirituality is found in other writings. Even the Old Testament is at odds with it: Ecclesiastes 1:9 and Hosea 6:6, for just two examples.

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Post by Kajori50 » 16 Jun 2019, 15:28

I think the author is someone who is very open to new things and prone to research. Whether we agree with him kr not, we have to concede that he has done his research before writing this book.

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Post by Sahansdal » 16 Jun 2019, 19:17

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I think the author is someone who is very open to new things and prone to research. Whether we agree with him kr not, we have to concede that he has done his research before writing this book.
I owe a lot to Dr. Robert Eisenman. He defines the m.o. of the proto-orthodoxy, as Bart Ehrman calls the early Church.
http://roberteisenman.com/

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Post by Bretagne » 18 Jun 2019, 14:48

I think the author states clearly that his ideas would be dismissed by the Christian church, especially since he believes they already did this by hiding Judas’s transition into the apostle James.

I think the author definitely took the time to find resources for his view point, and he’s obviously very passionate about his work. I’d label him as a scholar before anything else.

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Post by Sahansdal » 18 Jun 2019, 21:07

Bretagne wrote:
18 Jun 2019, 14:48
I think the author states clearly that his ideas would be dismissed by the Christian church, especially since he believes they already did this by hiding Judas’s transition into the apostle James.

I think the author definitely took the time to find resources for his view point, and he’s obviously very passionate about his work. I’d label him as a scholar before anything else.
Bretagne,
Today, so long after the Gospels appeared, no one knows Judas is really a cover character for savior James. I didn't, until these new Gnostic/Essene documents came out.

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Post by Tommi » 21 Jun 2019, 09:38

The author is definitely not christian. His claims go contrary to the bible's teachings.

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Post by Sahansdal » 21 Jun 2019, 22:36

Tommi wrote:
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The author is definitely not christian. His claims go contrary to the bible's teachings.
What if Christ's TEACHINGS are contrary to the Bible's? Ever thought of that? HE didn't write it!

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Post by ShailaSheshadri » 23 Jun 2019, 03:35

Looks like, the author is not deeply religious and is open-minded. Hence, researches about Christianity and their beliefs. However, his revelation will not affect readers who deeply follow Christianity.

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Post by Tommi » 23 Jun 2019, 08:33

Sahansdal wrote:
21 Jun 2019, 22:36
Tommi wrote:
21 Jun 2019, 09:38
The author is definitely not christian. His claims go contrary to the bible's teachings.
What if Christ's TEACHINGS are contrary to the Bible's? Ever thought of that? HE didn't write it!
Do you have proofs? There are archaeological and historical records supporting the authenticity of the bible. It is known as bible canon.

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Post by Sahansdal » 23 Jun 2019, 14:12

Tommi wrote:
23 Jun 2019, 08:33
Sahansdal wrote:
21 Jun 2019, 22:36
Tommi wrote:
21 Jun 2019, 09:38
The author is definitely not christian. His claims go contrary to the bible's teachings.
What if Christ's TEACHINGS are contrary to the Bible's? Ever thought of that? HE didn't write it!
Do you have proofs? There are archaeological and historical records supporting the authenticity of the bible. It is known as bible canon.
Yes. John 6:40. The plain language of whoever this Master was (I think it was James, not Jesus) is at odds with all of Christian teaching. It is a wonder so few have grasped the import. Masters all say one must SEE their Master to be saved -- that is, to be alive concurrently. This is a hard and fast truth that has been the same since the time of Seth, at least, in Genesis 4:26, "when men began to call on the Name of the Lord [the Word]." Masters come at all times, so that the world always has at least one present at all times for those who are seeking one. The speaker means see physically, too, since John 6:36 says that they DID see him and didn't believe him.

Matt. 7:21 is at odds with Paul's teachings on works righteousness. A Christian, Douglas Del Tondo, wrote extensively on the problem of Paul. JesusWordsOnly.com The more I studied this, the more evidence I found of the New Testament teachings as being the odd man out. I linked my first book on this below, for you.

Christianity isn't the only time a group has tried to stop the line of Masters and claim to be unique themselves, to the exclusion of real Masters. My own Master had to contend with a disputed mastership in 1951. Only a Master duly appointed by another is a Master. I think John the Baptist was a real Master, and his successor was James the Just. I don't believe there even was a person, Jesus. He is not present in any historical account. The Gospels are fictional accounts, not history. This has been investigated thoroughly by others who are open to whatever the facts show, known collectively as "mythicists." They find that the Gospels are not historical. I'm more interested in the theology, and that in the New Testament is not consistent with other teachings that are true, like Sant Mat.

And the Old Testament itself says in several ways that the New T is not true. Ecc. 1:9 says there is nothing new under the sun, and Hosea 6:6 says God desires mercy, not sacrifice (of others). There is a lot more, and a good place to start is my first book, and the work of Dr. Robert Eisenman, of Dead Sea Scrolls fame. He shows that Paul is the Scrolls' "Spouter of Lying." So, I recommend you go to his website and study a real expert. He did this for a living. I met him personally. He is the smartest man I ever met.
https://www.amazon.com/Bible-says-Savio ... ler+robert
http://roberteisenman.com/

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Post by Sam_Ibeh » 27 Jun 2019, 06:03

I am a Christian and would defend my faith if the need arises. However, I welcome so many point of views from other people - like the one expressed by Robert Wahler in Misreading Judas. I give it to him, he did his homework on this one. But I believe that there are certain things about Christianity that we may not understand. I think Wahler is someone who's out to seek the truth and this book is his means to that end.

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Post by Sahansdal » 02 Jul 2019, 13:24

Tommi wrote:
23 Jun 2019, 08:33
Sahansdal wrote:
21 Jun 2019, 22:36
Tommi wrote:
21 Jun 2019, 09:38
The author is definitely not christian. His claims go contrary to the bible's teachings.
What if Christ's TEACHINGS are contrary to the Bible's? Ever thought of that? HE didn't write it!
Do you have proofs? There are archaeological and historical records supporting the authenticity of the bible. It is known as bible canon.
The canon is no more support for the authenticity of the Bible than Mein Kampf is support for race relations. You can't prove a text by using it as support for itself.

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Post by kmwarren20 » 05 Jul 2019, 10:25

Based on the contents of the book, I have a hard time believing he is a true Christian, if he is one at all. He might be another form of religious or spiritual, but his book goes against basic Christian teachings.

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