Does the book change your religeous beliefs?

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Post by Debottam_55 » 10 Jun 2019, 15:16

It is hard for any particular book to change my religious beliefs. As a matter of fact, I despise books and movies that try very hard to change religious beliefs. The short answer is no. I liked the deviation of the portrayal of Judas as not being a traitor but I am an atheist, to begin with.
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Post by Joe Hadithi » 10 Jun 2019, 17:43

No, not really. Seeing things from someone else's perspective can reveal an angle you'd not seen, but it doesn't really change the story. For me anyway.

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Post by Orizon » 11 Jun 2019, 09:53

I love the authors insight and research about the subject bot it does not change my religious belief of whom Judas is.

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Post by Sahansdal » 12 Jun 2019, 21:00

Orizon wrote: ↑
11 Jun 2019, 09:53
I love the authors insight and research about the subject bot it does not change my religious belief of whom Judas is.
You still think there was a Judas? - the Author

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Post by Sahansdal » 12 Jun 2019, 21:16

Kyoks wrote: ↑
05 Jun 2019, 02:32
The book does not change one's religion but the perception about Judas's action in the implementation of God's plans of letting Jesus die on the cross for our sins and bring back man's dominion of the earth.
Have you ever given a thought to why people who lived and died before Jesus lived were born at all? Makes little sense if there was only one savior. - the Author

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Post by Sahansdal » 12 Jun 2019, 21:30

Kyoks wrote: ↑
05 Jun 2019, 02:32
The book does not change one's religion but the perception about Judas's action in the implementation of God's plans of letting Jesus die on the cross for our sins and bring back man's dominion of the earth.

So, who has dominion now? I don't think I want to know .... Maybe Donald Trump. - the Author

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Post by Sahansdal » 12 Jun 2019, 21:33

Daniel_ wrote: ↑
31 May 2019, 18:10
The book changes nothing for me as we all have to right to choose and hold on to our beliefs.
Did you read it? I suspect a lot of posters have not. -- the Author

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Post by Sahansdal » 12 Jun 2019, 21:50

evraealtana wrote: ↑
01 May 2019, 07:45
No, it doesn't. I felt that the author supported his points poorly to begin with; the texts he presented seemed to be twisted or warped to fit with the point that he tried to make. Although I don't doubt that he himself believes the claims he advances, I didn't see the resounding "proof" that he does in his interpretation of the supplementary texts, especially since he relied so heavily on taking passages that made sense in literal form and making them into strained, slightly nonsensical metaphors in order to promote his views.
You make serious charges. How about some specific citations? After all, I provided my own, didn't I? - the Author.

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Post by Sahansdal » 12 Jun 2019, 22:00

Brandy C wrote: ↑
01 May 2019, 12:46
Balazon2000 wrote: ↑
01 May 2019, 10:56
If one book could change your religious outlook then, in my opinion you are not strong in your faith. So, the answer to the question, for me, is no.
I totally agree! If the book changes your beliefs then you already had doubts and were leaning that way. If your faith is strong nothing will change or shake it.
What if that book is conclusive? You still would believe the Bible is "Holy"?

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Post by Sahansdal » 12 Jun 2019, 22:07

OliviaLouise wrote: ↑
19 May 2019, 15:31
My pastor once proposed that beliefs can be divided into one of two categories: essential and non-essential. The idea is that there are some beliefs which are essential to thriving in the Christian faith and some which are helpful in clarifying our understanding of the faith, but which ultimately do not determine our standing with a God.
I would argue that Judas’ betrayal is a non-essential belief. The author goes into great detail and presents a convincing argument; however, there is no knowing for certain. That said, my beliefs remain unchanged, but I am open to more possibilities than I was before.
Listen, if a major part of the Holy Story is proved to be made-up, then what does this say about the whole story? If it's true history, you don't need to make ANY of it up! I don't see how this is such a stretch for people. - the Author

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Post by Sahansdal » 12 Jun 2019, 22:25

Renu G wrote: ↑
01 May 2019, 23:22
Kibetious wrote: ↑
01 May 2019, 22:29
Stephanie Elizabeth wrote: ↑
01 May 2019, 04:58
No this doesn't change anything for me. The author makes some interesting points regarding Judas, but like the others it does not change anything for me.
This is also the same for me. Much had been said about Judas long before the New Testament
books. The Psalmist had spoken about and all that came to pass. I guess nothing much changes from reading the book.
It's so true. The seed of the NT was already present in the OT.
Nonsense. You mean Isaiah 7:14? Read Isaiah 8. EMMANUEL IS NOT JESUS. Isaiah 53? It's about ISRAEL, not Jesus. There are ZERO references to Jesus in the Old Testament. This is one of the biggest Church hoaxes of all the Christ-is-my-Savior nonsense. Please, read something besides apologetics. Try Dr. Richard Carrier or Dr. Robert Price. Or even Dr. Robert Eisenman.

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Post by Sahansdal » 12 Jun 2019, 23:17

A G Darr wrote: ↑
05 May 2019, 16:23
No, this book does does change my religious beliefs. I can possibly entertain the idea that Judas was not actually a betrayer, but even if I did completely believe, that would not technically change my faith.

I'm non-denominational Christian. The base of my beliefs is there is one God who loves humanity. He sent Jesus to humanity to teach us and help guide us. If Jesus was not crucified, that does not lessen God's gift to humanity. Whether or not Judas betrayed Jesus does not effect those beliefs in any way.
The point is that not only is a part of the narrative made up, but that to manufacture such a major part of it, what does that say about the rest of the story? If there really was a Jesus martyr, and a book FROM GOD about him, it should be accurate, don't ya think?

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Post by Aurelianp » 13 Jun 2019, 06:48

Mind you, I am not Christian. But no, this book did not change any belief I already held. If anything it just affirmed things I already privately thought about the nature of Judas.


It has always been very strange to me that people recognize that Jesus’ death was all in their God’s plan, and necessary for human salvation but then treat Judas as this evil betrayer when if they are correct in the fact that Jesus’ death was necessary and good then Judas’ sacrifice of his master was also necessary and good.


What I did find interesting/mind opening, as a Hindu, was the author’s mixing of Hindu thought into his understanding of the gospel of Judas. I do not know that it is remotely accurate but it was interesting and warrants further research on my part.

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Post by Sahansdal » 13 Jun 2019, 12:54

Aurelianp wrote: ↑
13 Jun 2019, 06:48
Mind you, I am not Christian. But no, this book did not change any belief I already held. If anything it just affirmed things I already privately thought about the nature of Judas.


It has always been very strange to me that people recognize that Jesus’ death was all in their God’s plan, and necessary for human salvation but then treat Judas as this evil betrayer when if they are correct in the fact that Jesus’ death was necessary and good then Judas’ sacrifice of his master was also necessary and good.


What I did find interesting/mind opening, as a Hindu, was the author’s mixing of Hindu thought into his understanding of the gospel of Judas. I do not know that it is remotely accurate but it was interesting and warrants further research on my part.
What the Gospel of Judas does that is so important is show that the sacrifice was of SELF. The Pauline orthodoxy flipped the story on its head as a way to hide that there was a successor, James ('Judas'). Now the way is clear to see that living Masters are the true Way to salvation, and always have been (Genesis 4:26 is about savior Seth. "Calling on the Name of the Lord" is the same as meditation on the inner Word). There are over two million initiates into the Path today, initiated by two recent living Masters. rssb.org

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Post by Sahansdal » 13 Jun 2019, 16:01

AKShanmar12 wrote: ↑
07 May 2019, 16:44
evraealtana wrote: ↑
01 May 2019, 19:38
AKShanmar12 wrote: ↑
01 May 2019, 17:16
I'm going to pass on this one. While I make a point of NOT avoiding things that disagree with my beliefs, I also don't want to waste the amount of time that reading a whole book would take. Based on the other reviews, it sounds like the author is starting at such a different perspective than my own, I believe that the book would just irritate me. I would rather read something I enjoy!
Amen. Life is too short to start projects that you don't even wish to finish. Good for you.
Thanks, I realized that this comes across like I am a complete snob, which I really try not to me, so I am glad somebody understood what I was trying to say! :?
What is wrong with getting out of the comfort zone? After all, it took a lot of discomfort to write it. = the Author

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