Is Big Pharma a Conspiracy or Not?

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Re: Is Big Pharma a Conspiracy or Not?

Post by Samy Lax » 03 Jan 2019, 22:48

Definitely so. Everyone is in the game just for the money. So, yeah, there's no doubt about it.
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Post by Beatus » 04 Jan 2019, 01:56

Well, I am learning. However, I am blown away by the book and the stories I am reading here. To say the truth as the reviewer said, "shaken to the core", I am.

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Post by esthersamone » 04 Jan 2019, 02:06

kandscreeley wrote:
03 Jan 2019, 07:41
Big pharma is a business. They are in it to make money. Period. They aren't a charity. Therefore, yes, there is a conspiracy to get you to use their drugs and not go natural.
I totally agree with you on this. They would not want us to get a natural remedy to our ailments to sustain their big companies.

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Post by briellejee » 04 Jan 2019, 02:16

Eva Darrington wrote:
03 Jan 2019, 21:43
briellejee wrote:
03 Jan 2019, 21:28
I am sorry about the side effects. How are you now though? I am also aware that most, if not all, of these doctors and companies have a greed and blame it on the cancer rather than on chemo. My grandmother, a surgical nurse, had cancer and she told my mom not to put her on chemo because itswno use and she wants to die peacefully. No use in extending her life anymore if it would be attached to drugs. But she's old, so i guess she felt it's time to go. I dont know how it would be to young people who still want to see what life is in store for them.
My diagnosis was 10 years ago. I wouldn't call them side effects. They are permanent, life-altering effects. Yes, it is a more complicated decision for a young person. I would not choose it at any age and am glad people are beginning to write about their experiences with these practices.
Good to know you're okay now! Yes, this forum became a platform of experiences. These greedy people still have the power to do it because they take advantage of what people don't know. I'm also glad every one is speaking up.
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Post by briellejee » 04 Jan 2019, 08:05

Fuzaila wrote:
04 Jan 2019, 05:51
briellejee wrote:
04 Jan 2019, 02:16
Eva Darrington wrote:
03 Jan 2019, 21:43

My diagnosis was 10 years ago. I wouldn't call them side effects. They are permanent, life-altering effects. Yes, it is a more complicated decision for a young person. I would not choose it at any age and am glad people are beginning to write about their experiences with these practices.
Good to know you're okay now! Yes, this forum became a platform of experiences. These greedy people still have the power to do it because they take advantage of what people don't know. I'm also glad everyone is speaking up.
I agree Brielle! I'm so glad to see so many people speaking up against the conventional chemotheraphy which has more or less become an ultimatum when it comes to cancer treatment. Hearing about all the experiences people have shared here, I realize I was pretty blind on the topic too. I'm sorry about your Grandma. I wouldn't want to spend my last moments on heavy doses of drugs either.
I was also ignorant of the topic because as surrounded by a family that is in the medical field, I have always believed in the scientific methods and that doctors are passionate enough to save a life. Turns out, I ruled out that some are not like that and that seldom happens in the adult world. Same, it is not living and that it just puts more stress on you and everybody else.
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Post by teresao » 04 Jan 2019, 09:55

I agree that pharmacies are out to make money and there is definitely collusion with the government. I think, however, there are a lot of doctors and healthcare people on local levels that are doing their best to help people get well. The problem there is that everyone has been told for so long that the only way to live is to take incredibly risky drugs; everything else is "untried" or "not well-enough tested", or things like that. My oldest son had some serious health problems the first few years he was alive and went through everything from steroids to chemo, but we were never offered any other options, although I suppose we could have looked and researched more ourselves. He's ok now, but there are millions of others who go through similar or worse, and maybe aren't aware of the option for other choices. I think more and more there are people that are looking into more natural and holistic approaches to wellness, so maybe as more and more people start to look to other things, then we might have a better chance at having safer, more natural options for our health. I think this book is incredibly relevant to today's society, and I liked that the author wrote about it and her personal experiences in a way that average people without science PHD's could understand.

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Post by Lunastella » 04 Jan 2019, 12:40

I totally agree. I'm not sure I like the world conspiracy, sometimes it evokes the kind of wacky person that ends up wearing tinfoil hats. But pharmaceutical companies are definitely deceitful and so are some doctors that only care about filling their pockets.
I don't live in the USA, but in my country, doctors can receive benefits, bonuses, and prices for prescribing certain drug brands. It's definitely not in the "best interest" of pharmaceutical companies that cheaper, safer options are known.
I've experienced it personally with psychiatric meds. This isn't the forum to share my whole personal story but I was full to the brim of meds that had horrible side effects and ruined both my health and my life for several years when all I needed was psychological therapy due to a hard childhood/teenage years.
So yes, I totally believe its possible. I can't, of course, verify the author's story but I find it absolutely believable.

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Post by Jagiine » 04 Jan 2019, 16:06

Sadly, Big Pharma does have a grand impact on the health of all individuals in my country. Even when people try to live a natural life, it is hard to get the information they need to live well. The health laws declare that capable patients must have autonomy, but the laws and policies pushed by pharma prevent actual informed autonomy- they limit people seeking general healthcare to "autonomy" within their bounds. It is a fact that the industry makes money off of the tons of medicine the western world consumes. It is also true that a lot of these medications do not work for many individuals and/or give them awful side-effects. This country is good at setting up systems that keep the train on course to the big players' destination and making only minor adjustments for the rest of the population's discomfort. It's just how things work here.

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Post by joshfee77 » 04 Jan 2019, 16:15

Unfortunately, greed runs the world. It's why the majority of the world's cars still run on coal when it's so badly polluting the planet, and why almost 40,000 people a year are now dying from gun violence in the US. The big pharmaceutical companies are no different. I have no doubt they would be willing to "eliminate" any competition at any cost. Thoughts and prayers...

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Post by Jagiine » 04 Jan 2019, 16:17

teresao wrote:
04 Jan 2019, 09:55
I agree that pharmacies are out to make money and there is definitely collusion with the government. I think, however, there are a lot of doctors and healthcare people on local levels that are doing their best to help people get well. The problem there is that everyone has been told for so long that the only way to live is to take incredibly risky drugs; everything else is "untried" or "not well-enough tested", or things like that. My oldest son had some serious health problems the first few years he was alive and went through everything from steroids to chemo, but we were never offered any other options, although I suppose we could have looked and researched more ourselves.
You are totally right - doctors are supposed to stay up to date on medical research, but they are at the mercy of what information is actually presented to them. If there are limited studies on an option, the facility employing the doctor doesn't like it, there's no supply chain for patients, etc., it's hard and even unethical at times to recommend that alternative. Many doctors have no idea about the unmarketed options for most things they treat simply because they're trying to work with what they have and what they have some understanding of and nobody is going to lighten their load by making the natural information that much more accessible.

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Post by Supergirl1 » 04 Jan 2019, 16:21

Everyone knows big pharma is a business. What business would promote their competitor’s goods? So yes, I think there’s definitely a conspiracy.
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Post by Julie Green » 05 Jan 2019, 10:56

I think the system may be imperfect but I appreciate that R&D into new drugs costs a huge amount too. It's a very complex challenge that governments need to continue to address.

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Post by ViziVoir » 06 Jan 2019, 04:05

The medical system in the United States, at least, is definitely one of the biggest problems with our time's rampant capitalism. It's also a problem that most Americans want a simple pill or treatment that will cure all their symptoms, rather than being willing to change their lifestyles in any major way.

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Post by briellejee » 06 Jan 2019, 04:43

Lunastella wrote:
04 Jan 2019, 12:40
I've experienced it personally with psychiatric meds. This isn't the forum to share my whole personal story but I was full to the brim of meds that had horrible side effects and ruined both my health and my life for several years when all I needed was psychological therapy due to a hard childhood/teenage years.
So yes, I totally believe its possible. I can't, of course, verify the author's story but I find it absolutely believable.
I'm sorry for the horrible side effects that the drugs gave you. As for the psychiatric meds, I know too many cases that resulted in harm rather than helping the person. I knew one friend that got worse in anxiety because of the drugs these doctors and pharmaceuticals give them. It is so sad that we were supposed to trust these people because they knew better than us in this field.
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Post by briellejee » 06 Jan 2019, 04:46

joshfee77 wrote:
04 Jan 2019, 16:15
Unfortunately, greed runs the world. It's why the majority of the world's cars still run on coal when it's so badly polluting the planet, and why almost 40,000 people a year are now dying from gun violence in the US. The big pharmaceutical companies are no different. I have no doubt they would be willing to "eliminate" any competition at any cost. Thoughts and prayers...
I agree. Greed and power are one of the things that humans can't discard even they know that it's a bad thing to do. I just wish we could do as much healing to the environment as much as we do in people.
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