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Post by daydreaming reader » 04 Dec 2018, 20:43

Tim spoke publicly about his involvement in the investigation before his death. However, if it wasn't for Paul's plan, Tim would never have been involved in any investigation. Thus, do you think Paul felt some degree of guilt in regards to Tim's death?
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Post by leanne_brown17 » 05 Dec 2018, 10:33

We didn't see a lot of Paul's guilt after Tim died, but he probably did feel some. Due to the fact that Tim had also been interested in dating Rachelle, and that Paul was a bit of a coward when it came to her, perhaps one could stretch it to assume that Paul was conflicted about how he felt regarding Tim's death. On the one hand, a friend and valued community member was gone, and on the other, so was Paul's most forefront romantic competitor.
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Post by Ever_Reading » 05 Dec 2018, 12:20

leanne_brown17 wrote:
05 Dec 2018, 10:33
We didn't see a lot of Paul's guilt after Tim died, but he probably did feel some. Due to the fact that Tim had also been interested in dating Rachelle, and that Paul was a bit of a coward when it came to her, perhaps one could stretch it to assume that Paul was conflicted about how he felt regarding Tim's death. On the one hand, a friend and valued community member was gone, and on the other, so was Paul's most forefront romantic competitor.
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Post by Bianka Walter » 05 Dec 2018, 16:36

I'm actually quite glad that we didn't see too much guilt over Tim's death. Paul was a bit of a wet anyway, and then to laden him with guilt would have made him seem too pathetic.
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Post by Ayat paarsa » 11 Dec 2018, 03:34

I have not read the full book yet, but I can guess from the reviews that he was a bit confused about his feelings on the death of Tim.
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Post by chelhack » 11 Dec 2018, 23:00

Yes, I believe that Paul or anyone else would feel guilty to some degree. Tim was one of the people that Paul reached out to because he was among those that Paul trusted. I mean if I were in Paul's shoes I would feel bad for bringing him in on anything that he was not at all already apart of which in turn ended up costing him his life.
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Post by lesler » 12 Dec 2018, 12:21

It's Paul's faul that Tim got into the situation, but absolutely not his fault he talked and got into a fatal situation as a result. We are solely responsible for our words and actions.

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Post by Cotwani » 15 Dec 2018, 13:47

The fact that Paul felt solely responsible for bringing Rachelle into plan could be a pointer that he may have felt some guilt over Tim's death. However, Tim's role in the plan was to keep his eyes and ears open. Paul even reminded him. No harm would have befallen him, had he stuck to the plan.
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Post by holsam_87 » 16 Dec 2018, 01:31

Tim was foolish to talk about his involvement. However, I felt that Paul had a much closer bond with Allan.
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Post by K Geisinger » 19 Dec 2018, 11:38

Paul agonized over his guilt bringing Rachelle and Allen into the scheme, but Tim seemed to be a plot mover. Paul feels guilt and remorse over everything else but conveniently doesn't on Tim. I think a reasonable person would feel some guilt, but the author doesn't show this.
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Post by ViziVoir » 20 Dec 2018, 21:25

It seems only natural that he'd feel some guilt, but at the end of the day, we can only really control our own actions. That line of logic is probably why it wasn't a major plot point in the book.

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Post by Bavithra M » 20 Dec 2018, 23:52

leanne_brown17 wrote:
05 Dec 2018, 10:33
We didn't see a lot of Paul's guilt after Tim died, but he probably did feel some. Due to the fact that Tim had also been interested in dating Rachelle, and that Paul was a bit of a coward when it came to her, perhaps one could stretch it to assume that Paul was conflicted about how he felt regarding Tim's death. On the one hand, a friend and valued community member was gone, and on the other, so was Paul's most forefront romantic competitor.
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Post by Slater Barness » 23 Dec 2018, 23:36

I don't think so, Tim's death occurred in the course of his execution of his duties. It could have happened to anybody.

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Post by Highly Favoured One » 27 Dec 2018, 23:56

Of course he would feel a little guild based on the involvement before Tim's death, but then he wasn't directly involved in his death. In the story the guilt is not apparent if it does exist, so probably he just reasoned it away. Even though they were both after the same girl, it doesn't directly have to implicate him in the murder. These were just two independent facts in the case.

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Post by kdstrack » 28 Dec 2018, 19:50

Paul worked as a detective. He had to know things like this would happen in his line of work. It would be natural for him to feel some guilt. As a professional, he couldn't let it consume him.

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