Is Hiram McDowell a bad father?

Use this forum to discuss the October Book of the Month "McDowell" by William H. Coles.
User avatar
Life In Books
Posts: 220
Joined: 27 Jun 2018, 10:08
2018 Reading Goal: 75
2018 Reading Goal Completion: 20
Currently Reading:
Bookshelf Size: 34
Reviewer Page: onlinebookclub.org/reviews/by-life-in-books.html
Latest Review: Cat Detectives in the Korean Peninsula by R.F. Kristi

Re: Is Hiram McDowell a bad father?

Post by Life In Books » 22 Oct 2018, 01:10

I think McDowell could not manage himself as a good father. There were instances where he was sure, he did not care about his stepchildren. His behavior was also quite irresponsible as a father which he might have realized later.

User avatar
jenjayfromSA
Posts: 199
Joined: 19 Jun 2017, 03:44
2018 Reading Goal: 100
2018 Reading Goal Completion: 10
2017 Reading Goal: 24
2017 Reading Goal Completion: 58
Currently Reading: First Family
Bookshelf Size: 58
Reviewer Page: onlinebookclub.org/reviews/by-jenjayfromsa.html
Latest Review: McDowell by William H. Coles
Reading Device: B00JG8GOWU

Post by jenjayfromSA » 22 Oct 2018, 09:02

To an extent, he saw his children as extensions of himself, not as people in their own right. They were part of his self image, so they had to be successful. He cared about them as he cared about himself - in both cases a great deal. He made sure Billie became a good drummer; he got Sophie her chance. He was irritated and angry when they made their own choices. He was a bad father. Later, I think, he softened, but even so he only contacted Sophie because he needed help with his book.

User avatar
Ijeoma Kikelomo
Posts: 265
Joined: 19 Jul 2018, 14:08
Currently Reading:
Bookshelf Size: 22
Reviewer Page: onlinebookclub.org/reviews/by-ijeoma-kikelomo.html
Latest Review: Sigfried’s Smelly Socks! by Len Foley

Post by Ijeoma Kikelomo » 22 Oct 2018, 14:40

At first he was absolutely not a good father figure, but later on, he shows signs of changing and becoming a better man. I don't think Hiram ever mastered the art of human relationship.

User avatar
Jmteachmom
Posts: 161
Joined: 21 Oct 2017, 10:44
Currently Reading:
Bookshelf Size: 26
Reviewer Page: onlinebookclub.org/reviews/by-jmteachmom.html
Latest Review: Gringo by Dan "Tito" Davis

Post by Jmteachmom » 22 Oct 2018, 17:41

I don't think McDowell would have won father of the year, but in Part 1 there are a few moments where the fatherly attributes tried to come out. I think McDowell loved his family but didn't know how to show love. Money and wealth had blinded him.

User avatar
Calypso Terrier
Posts: 32
Joined: 03 Aug 2018, 23:07
Currently Reading:
Bookshelf Size: 25
Reviewer Page: onlinebookclub.org/reviews/by-calypso-terrier.html
Latest Review: If Life Stinks, Get Your Head Outta Your But's by Mark L. Wdowiak

Post by Calypso Terrier » 22 Oct 2018, 18:47

McDowell is not with his children, yet he has a very big influence on them. I found the relationship between McDowell and his children very interesting.

User avatar
ReyvrexQuestor Reyes
Posts: 1295
Joined: 28 Sep 2017, 07:38
2017 Reading Goal: 100
2017 Reading Goal Completion: 12
Favorite Book: <a href="http://forums.onlinebookclub.org/shelve ... 5">Raven's Peak</a>
Currently Reading:
Bookshelf Size: 169
Reviewer Page: onlinebookclub.org/reviews/by-reyvrexquestor-reyes.html
Latest Review: The Leading Man by Stephen J. Blakesley

Post by ReyvrexQuestor Reyes » 22 Oct 2018, 22:37

Hiram is neither bad nor good as a father. Things would boil down to matters of perspective. On the physical aspect, he may pass on as good while providing for the material needs of a family. But on the philosophical aspect, his views and mores may not sit well with many readers. When it comes to Theological issues touched by this novel, I keep my mind open to opinions.
"In the beginning was the word.........John 1:1"

User avatar
Samy Lax
Posts: 716
Joined: 30 Jan 2018, 01:40
2019 Reading Goal: 53
2019 Reading Goal Completion: 3
2018 Reading Goal: 38
2018 Reading Goal Completion: 118
Currently Reading: Animal Farm
Bookshelf Size: 94
Reviewer Page: onlinebookclub.org/reviews/by-samy-lax.html
Latest Review: Code: Revelation by Boris Sanders

Post by Samy Lax » 22 Oct 2018, 22:52

I'd say so, yes. McDowell was never emotionally available for his children. While he didn't show himself to be a perfect father, however, he did have love in his heart for his family. He just didn't know how to emote.
“If you're reading this...
Congratulations, you're alive.
If that's not something to smile about,
then I don't know what is.”
― Chad Sugg, Monsters Under Your Head

User avatar
briellejee
Posts: 558
Joined: 25 Aug 2017, 23:40
2019 Reading Goal: 100
2019 Reading Goal Completion: 2
2018 Reading Goal: 120
2018 Reading Goal Completion: 80
2017 Reading Goal: 15
Currently Reading: The World of Ato
Bookshelf Size: 206
Reviewer Page: onlinebookclub.org/reviews/by-briellejee.html
Latest Review: Escape by Mark Kingston Levin, PhD

Post by briellejee » 23 Oct 2018, 03:08

At first, he portrays that of a bad father figure and husband. My father is not always present in my years of growing up but that doesn't make him a bad one.
"Not all that is gold glitters, not all who wander are lost"

User avatar
Samuel Waragu
Posts: 231
Joined: 14 Jun 2017, 08:52
2019 Reading Goal: 24
2019 Reading Goal Completion: 4
2018 Reading Goal: 11
2018 Reading Goal Completion: 318
2017 Reading Goal: 7
2017 Reading Goal Completion: 114
Currently Reading:
Bookshelf Size: 412
Reviewer Page: onlinebookclub.org/reviews/by-samuel-waragu.html
Latest Review: At the Mouth of a Cannon by Kevin Annett

Post by Samuel Waragu » 23 Oct 2018, 07:22

He is not a bad father to my opinion. It is his circumstance that makes him to appear as bad, otherwise in a different better environment and context, Hiram McDowell can be a good father as I believe.
“If things start happening, don't worry, don't stew, just go right along and you'll start happening too.”~Dr. Theodor Seuss Geisel (1904-1991)

User avatar
Jmteachmom
Posts: 161
Joined: 21 Oct 2017, 10:44
Currently Reading:
Bookshelf Size: 26
Reviewer Page: onlinebookclub.org/reviews/by-jmteachmom.html
Latest Review: Gringo by Dan "Tito" Davis

Post by Jmteachmom » 23 Oct 2018, 08:00

Calypso Terrier wrote:
22 Oct 2018, 18:47
McDowell is not with his children, yet he has a very big influence on them. I found the relationship between McDowell and his children very interesting.
I found the same idea to be true of McDowell. At moments we see glimpses of a loving father and then his mood changes. Almost like Dr.Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.

User avatar
Rosebella
Posts: 350
Joined: 07 Mar 2018, 06:09
2018 Reading Goal: 80
2018 Reading Goal Completion: 65
Favorite Author: J.R.R.R. (Jim) Hardison
Favorite Book: McDowell
Currently Reading:
Bookshelf Size: 245
Reviewer Page: onlinebookclub.org/reviews/by-rosebella.html
Latest Review: Heartaches by H.M. Irwing
fav_author_id: 96867

Post by Rosebella » 23 Oct 2018, 13:37

I'm half and half on this discussion. :eusa-think: I feel he was a good father because he did help his children when they needed him. He was also a bad father because his choice and judgements for his children were some times selfish and morally incomprehensible. All I can say is he wasn't a perfect father.

Kishor Rao
Posts: 97
Joined: 18 Feb 2017, 05:48
2018 Reading Goal: 5
2018 Reading Goal Completion: 180
Currently Reading:
Bookshelf Size: 22
Reviewer Page: onlinebookclub.org/reviews/by-kishor-rao.html
Latest Review: The Sword Swallower and a Chico Kid by Gary Robinson

Post by Kishor Rao » 24 Oct 2018, 01:19

He is not a great father. But that doesn't make him bad. He never tells Billie to stop screwing around with his step sisters but instead plants the idea in his mind. He is worried and concerned about his children's safety and tries to control them around like he does to everyone but loves them enough to let them choose and go their own way. On the other hand, he seems to love Sophie and Billie more than Ann because he never spends time with her and doesn't provide the best of the support to Ann when she was going through the terrible events.
We readers are never out of books to read. Read my latest review and pick your new book!

User avatar
Ayat paarsa
Posts: 225
Joined: 01 Oct 2018, 00:18
2019 Reading Goal: 15
Currently Reading:
Bookshelf Size: 44
Reviewer Page: onlinebookclub.org/reviews/by-ayat-paarsa.html
Latest Review: Sigfried’s Smelly Socks! by Len Foley

Post by Ayat paarsa » 24 Oct 2018, 02:57

Why McDowell was struggling to build up a career at the top level? Each father struggles to ensure the future of his kids.
But The point is that, the balloon bursts, if the more of air than its capacity is filled in it. Good deeds fall worst, if they go beyond limits. Hiram McDowell was a man who opt extremism and failed to manage a balanced life. His behavior towards the career, women and the children, all show an extreminism in his personality, that leads him to a bad charactered one. He was not a bad father, just he failed....
:reading-5: @paarsa. :escribir:

acremer
Posts: 98
Joined: 04 Sep 2018, 09:13
Currently Reading:
Bookshelf Size: 16
Reviewer Page: onlinebookclub.org/reviews/by-acremer.html
Latest Review: Strong Heart by Charlie Sheldon

Post by acremer » 24 Oct 2018, 18:39

I think the one consistent thing about McDowell is that he attempts to be a good father in his own way. It is very apparent that he loves his children and he tries to be there for them in ways that he knows how, such as through monetary support. Overall, I think he was as good of a father as he knew how to be.

Chandler_Greg
Posts: 86
Joined: 15 Apr 2018, 15:39
Currently Reading: Beneath the Kauri Tree
Bookshelf Size: 45
Reviewer Page: onlinebookclub.org/reviews/by-chandler-greg.html
Latest Review: Strong Heart by Charlie Sheldon
Reading Device: B00I15SB16

Post by Chandler_Greg » 24 Oct 2018, 22:30

Fuzaila wrote:
01 Oct 2018, 23:57
The protagonist of the book Hiram McDowell is portrayed as a man of varied shades. While his children are connected to him in many odd ways, he's never really present in their lives. Do you think this makes him a bad father? Or do you think otherwise? Why/Why not?
In the first part of the book, McDowell is cut off from everyone, from humanity as a whole. Yet he maintains some connection to his children. He supports them in their chosen career paths, though that support may be primarily monetary. He doesn't seem to judge their choices or to try to force his choices on them. They grow up to be independent people. There's some suggestion that, as McDowell becomes more connected to other people in the second half of the book, that he has initiated more contact with his children.

Post Reply

Return to “Discuss "McDowell" by William H. Coles”