IS THE PARADOX OF HEDONISM THE CENTRAL THEME OF THE NOVEL?
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IS THE PARADOX OF HEDONISM THE CENTRAL THEME OF THE NOVEL?
Do you think this is the message of the author to the readers?
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Duke was lost in alcohol until he wound up in prison. While in prison, he examined himself, his choices and his life and found peace within himself. He made changes to his life and never again went back to alcohol. He was unapologetic, but he knew himself.
I think this is reinforced in the finale of the book when Gary has his near-death experience. He is forced to look deeper within himself and discover what it is that pushed him to make the choices he made. From there, he emerges as a new person, and he is able to live with confidence from that point forward, making amends and fixing his life.
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Well observed and validated. Yes the book, in the end, is ablur self-discovery and making peace with oneself.Kendra M Parker wrote: ↑08 May 2018, 12:00 No, I think that the author's message is really about finding out who you truly are and coming to terms with that. Alcohol and hedonism are simply ways that we try to hide from ourselves, and sometimes it requires a significant event to help that person hiding in hedonism truly examine himself.
Duke was lost in alcohol until he wound up in prison. While in prison, he examined himself, his choices and his life and found peace within himself. He made changes to his life and never again went back to alcohol. He was unapologetic, but he knew himself.
I think this is reinforced in the finale of the book when Gary has his near-death experience. He is forced to look deeper within himself and discover what it is that pushed him to make the choices he made. From there, he emerges as a new person, and he is able to live with confidence from that point forward, making amends and fixing his life.
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Well said, I think this novel is about the need for introspection, and to find the courage to acknowledge the fact that there are changes that one needs to make in order to become a better person, and finally, to take said changes.Kendra M Parker wrote: ↑08 May 2018, 12:00 No, I think that the author's message is really about finding out who you truly are and coming to terms with that. Alcohol and hedonism are simply ways that we try to hide from ourselves, and sometimes it requires a significant event to help that person hiding in hedonism truly examine himself.
Duke was lost in alcohol until he wound up in prison. While in prison, he examined himself, his choices and his life and found peace within himself. He made changes to his life and never again went back to alcohol. He was unapologetic, but he knew himself.
I think this is reinforced in the finale of the book when Gary has his near-death experience. He is forced to look deeper within himself and discover what it is that pushed him to make the choices he made. From there, he emerges as a new person, and he is able to live with confidence from that point forward, making amends and fixing his life.
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As what Gary said in his letter posted in this forum (viewtopic.php?f=81&t=67002), his focus was more on the journey of "redemption" from the mistakes of the past towards betterment and achievement of feats after those failures or defeats. After all, we're all human beings who fail or commit a mistake or two in our own lifetimes. I believe that what matters is that we ultimately find the reason and have the willpower to start moving on (whether up, forward, standing still against the storm, or just simply "standing" back up from the fall depending on the individual's uniqueness, circumstances and other choices).Jeyasivananth wrote: ↑07 May 2018, 09:27 The paradox of hedonism claims the pursuit of pleasure can be self-defeating. Constant pleasure-seeking may not yield lasting pleasure or happiness in the long run. In other words, in order to be happy, we must aim at things other than one’s own happiness probably seek out to help others in need. This is justified in the character of Gary Robinson whose hedonistic lifestyle only begets misery and depression.
Do you think this is the message of the author to the readers?
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This is not the case for either Duke or Gary. Although Duke found pleasure in getting tattoos, if the hedonism system was the center of the theme of the novel, Duke would never have considered the option of getting a tattoo. Options are weighed based on optimal pleasure without worthless pain. Many of the other things that both characters did would not have been possible if this notion of hedonism was the focus of the book.
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So true, so true! Their choices were based on their addictions to drugs and alcohol and the need to dull the pain of past events and circumstances by self-medicating with substance abuse. Hedonism is based on total pleasure and happiness, what these men chose was self-gratification to a situation at the time. Addiction is a coping mechanism to something in a person's life, it is not the pursuit of happiness. Most people who are addicted to some type of substance knows that they can achieve what they think is pleasure, they understand that it is simply a means of coping.gkgurley wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 16:39 I had not considered the idea of Hedonism. I would not consider Gary a Hedonist, and he certainly would not consider himself such. I think he's an addict and alcoholic who feels neglected by God and is searching for a spiritual connection. I would not call hedonism a theme by any means because I do not think Duke is hedonist, either, and the pursuit of pleasure isn't necessarily what addiction is. Yes, both men make selfish choices, but their motives are to discover who they are and feel secure in their separate ideas of spirituality. In their conversations, they talk about living in the moment. That's more reflective of mindfulness in religions like Hinduism and Buddhism. The choices these men make and their troublesome behavior is not a hedonist paradox but the trap of alcoholism and addiction, which are fueled more by insecurity and the need to cope than a constant pursuit of pleasure.
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Well said!! Considering the autobiographical elements in the book may be the author hoped that his life errors and experiences would enrich others.Espie wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 20:44As what Gary said in his letter posted in this forum (viewtopic.php?f=81&t=67002), his focus was more on the journey of "redemption" from the mistakes of the past towards betterment and achievement of feats after those failures or defeats. After all, we're all human beings who fail or commit a mistake or two in our own lifetimes. I believe that what matters is that we ultimately find the reason and have the willpower to start moving on (whether up, forward, standing still against the storm, or just simply "standing" back up from the fall depending on the individual's uniqueness, circumstances and other choices).Jeyasivananth wrote: ↑07 May 2018, 09:27 The paradox of hedonism claims the pursuit of pleasure can be self-defeating. Constant pleasure-seeking may not yield lasting pleasure or happiness in the long run. In other words, in order to be happy, we must aim at things other than one’s own happiness probably seek out to help others in need. This is justified in the character of Gary Robinson whose hedonistic lifestyle only begets misery and depression.
Do you think this is the message of the author to the readers?
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That's a possibility, indeed. Turning life's lemons into pies is ideal.Jeyasivananth wrote: ↑29 May 2018, 10:50Well said!! Considering the autobiographical elements in the book may be the author hoped that his life errors and experiences would enrich others.Espie wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 20:44As what Gary said in his letter posted in this forum (viewtopic.php?f=81&t=67002), his focus was more on the journey of "redemption" from the mistakes of the past towards betterment and achievement of feats after those failures or defeats. After all, we're all human beings who fail or commit a mistake or two in our own lifetimes. I believe that what matters is that we ultimately find the reason and have the willpower to start moving on (whether up, forward, standing still against the storm, or just simply "standing" back up from the fall depending on the individual's uniqueness, circumstances and other choices).Jeyasivananth wrote: ↑07 May 2018, 09:27 The paradox of hedonism claims the pursuit of pleasure can be self-defeating. Constant pleasure-seeking may not yield lasting pleasure or happiness in the long run. In other words, in order to be happy, we must aim at things other than one’s own happiness probably seek out to help others in need. This is justified in the character of Gary Robinson whose hedonistic lifestyle only begets misery and depression.
Do you think this is the message of the author to the readers?
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