The Role of Age in Today's Society

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Post by See_B00kReaDs » 31 Mar 2018, 03:37

Helen_Combe wrote:
29 Mar 2018, 10:20
I think the problem nowadays is the speed of change. In the past, the elderly passed on their knowledge and were valued for it. Nowadays, technology is in the hands of the young and some elderly people who can’t work computers are left behind and made helpless as shopping and banking all move online.
You are right! Even if technology changes, elderly people should not be neglected like an old tool no longer needed.
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Post by See_B00kReaDs » 31 Mar 2018, 03:44

Miriam Molina wrote:
28 Mar 2018, 18:43
Unfortunately, the book is realistic in it's depiction of how the elderly are treated. I admit I am guilty myself of impatience in dealing with the feeble old. A sobering thought is that one day soon, I will be at the receiving end.
With that said, now that we know what we need to do, let us treat the elderly with love.
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Post by n-dai che » 31 Mar 2018, 07:39

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It's unfortunate, but a fact of today's society. I think if the author replaced "elderly" with "toddlers," there would be so much outrage. There should be outrage at this level as well.
I laugh out loud at your idea.
:lol: I guess, if that happens, things will get complicated.

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Post by n-dai che » 31 Mar 2018, 07:42

See_B00kReaDs wrote:
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Miriam Molina wrote:
28 Mar 2018, 18:43
Unfortunately, the book is realistic in it's depiction of how the elderly are treated. I admit I am guilty myself of impatience in dealing with the feeble old. A sobering thought is that one day soon, I will be at the receiving end.
With that said, now that we know what we need to do, let us treat the elderly with love.
Yeah right! Hoping for I can apply this idea of yours all the time of my life. Will you still be kind to the elderly who rule ruthlessly?

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Post by n-dai che » 31 Mar 2018, 07:46

See_B00kReaDs wrote:
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stacie k wrote:
14 Mar 2018, 22:09
Before reading this book, I was not in tune with our society's views of the elderly. However, after dwelling my mind on the depiction in Final Notice, I started to catch myself with feelings of impatience when an elderly person was crossing the street and slowing down my plan and progress. I think the author has done his job to make us think about these issues. It is sad and true that so many of our elderly are placed in nursing homes rather than being cared for by their families. I desire to slow down and give respect and appreciation for the older generation who have so much wisdom and experience to offer.
It's a reminder of how our society treats the elderly. I hope more people would value and respect our elders.
Hoping for, but I guess only a small amount of percentage practicing kindness to the elderly in our world nowadays. :cry:

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Post by See_B00kReaDs » 31 Mar 2018, 08:01

n-dai che wrote:
31 Mar 2018, 07:42
See_B00kReaDs wrote:
31 Mar 2018, 03:44

With that said, now that we know what we need to do, let us treat the elderly with love.
Yeah right! Hoping for I can apply this idea of yours all the time of my life. Will you still be kind to the elderly who rule ruthlessly?
Well yeah, it depends on the situation, and I'm sure there's a reason behind every action. What I'm saying is in general we should love and treat them kindly.
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Post by n-dai che » 31 Mar 2018, 08:26

See_B00kReaDs wrote:
31 Mar 2018, 08:01
n-dai che wrote:
31 Mar 2018, 07:42
See_B00kReaDs wrote:
31 Mar 2018, 03:44

With that said, now that we know what we need to do, let us treat the elderly with love.
Yeah right! Hoping for I can apply this idea of yours all the time of my life. Will you still be kind to the elderly who rule ruthlessly?
Well yeah, it depends on the situation, and I'm sure there's a reason behind every action. What I'm saying is in general we should love and treat them kindly.
Thanks for your elaboration, It makes me calm right now. I feel better now, I am glad that I am a part of this forum . I can relate to this situation. Thanks to you.

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Post by Camille Turner » 31 Mar 2018, 11:06

n-dai che wrote:
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n-dai che wrote:
29 Mar 2018, 10:00


If only each family knows how to respect and love the elderly because without them. They will not see the world. :(
Agreed. We should cherish them!
Yeah, I am a bit guilty on this situation because sometimes when we are in hot temper. We hurt them. I regretted on this kind of behavior of mine.
At least you recognize it! It takes a very strong person to admit when they need to do better. :)

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Post by desantismt_17 » 31 Mar 2018, 11:30

There is a new-ish term being tossed around the publishing world--"ownvoices." When wielded by an agent or editor, it means they want to see marginalized characters written by people who are part of that marginalized group (aka. a character who uses a wheelchair written by someone in a wheelchair). A year or so ago, I had someone say to me "I have an ownvoice in my book. I'm elderly, and I wrote about an elderly character." I initially scoffed. After some thought, though, I realized they had a very good point. Elderly people are approaching marginalized if they aren't there already. Technology forces advancement. I have a few friends with flip phones, and I wonder how much longer they'll be able to keep those phones if they want to remain viable individuals in our society. We're in an "adapt or be left behind" world, and it is often easier for younger people to adapt. Unfortunately, I can all-too-easily see a future where the elderly are little more than a group to be put somewhere and gotten out of the way.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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Post by n-dai che » 31 Mar 2018, 15:13

Camille Turner wrote:
31 Mar 2018, 11:06
n-dai che wrote:
30 Mar 2018, 10:02
Camille Turner wrote:
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Agreed. We should cherish them!
Yeah, I am a bit guilty on this situation because sometimes when we are in hot temper. We hurt them. I regretted on this kind of behavior of mine.
At least you recognize it! It takes a very strong person to admit when they need to do better. :)
Well, all of us have many lapses and I need to overcome this.

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Post by KLafser » 31 Mar 2018, 18:47

desantismt_17 wrote:
31 Mar 2018, 11:30
I have a few friends with flip phones, and I wonder how much longer they'll be able to keep those phones if they want to remain viable individuals in our society. We're in an "adapt or be left behind" world, and it is often easier for younger people to adapt. Unfortunately, I can all-too-easily see a future where the elderly are little more than a group to be put somewhere and gotten out of the way.
Super interesting statement. I had an encounter this past week with a close friend who happens to be 73 years old. She was denied access to technology because her medical insurance (and she does have decent insurance) doesn't cover a device that would aid her in monitoring her glucose levels. She is super technology savvy and has always engaged in groups that are primarily "younger" people. The conversation made me think of this book and wonder: are the elderly left behind or do they not have access? In this case, I wondered if there isn't enough demand, enough elderly people crying foul for not having access to the technology.

I don't know the right answer. I do think life if what you make it. There is nothing stopping my elderly friends from, say, getting a smartphone. The reality is, their friends aren't texting or snapchatting so, why would they buy into this technology. When it helps them with their life, that's when.

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Post by britt13 » 31 Mar 2018, 19:17

desantismt_17 wrote:
31 Mar 2018, 11:30
There is a new-ish term being tossed around the publishing world--"ownvoices." When wielded by an agent or editor, it means they want to see marginalized characters written by people who are part of that marginalized group (aka. a character who uses a wheelchair written by someone in a wheelchair). A year or so ago, I had someone say to me "I have an ownvoice in my book. I'm elderly, and I wrote about an elderly character." I initially scoffed. After some thought, though, I realized they had a very good point. Elderly people are approaching marginalized if they aren't there already. Technology forces advancement. I have a few friends with flip phones, and I wonder how much longer they'll be able to keep those phones if they want to remain viable individuals in our society. We're in an "adapt or be left behind" world, and it is often easier for younger people to adapt. Unfortunately, I can all-too-easily see a future where the elderly are little more than a group to be put somewhere and gotten out of the way.
Well, I learned something today. I like that term, "ownvoice". My grandma and her book club are trying to write a book about a group of elderly people in a book club that end up going on the adventure of the book. I suppose that would fit into this concept. It is crazy to think that with so many elderly they would become marginalized, but as you get older I feel like it must be harder to stand up for yourself. I know that people have different strengths and weaknesses as they get older (such as Vince seeming pretty able throughout much of the book), but the fact is things do get harder.

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Post by CaitlinGonya » 31 Mar 2018, 19:35

I believe his novel shows a portion of perceptions towards the elderly. My parents are in the middle/late sixties but they still work and are active in the community. My grandmother climbed a mountain at the age of 80, so it really depends on the person as well as the viewing individual.

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Post by n-dai che » 01 Apr 2018, 02:15

CaitlinGonya wrote:
31 Mar 2018, 19:35
I believe his novel shows a portion of perceptions towards the elderly. My parents are in the middle/late sixties but they still work and are active in the community. My grandmother climbed a mountain at the age of 80, so it really depends on the person as well as the viewing individual.
Wow, good for them. I wish they could maintain that. :D

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Post by See_B00kReaDs » 01 Apr 2018, 07:45

n-dai che wrote:
31 Mar 2018, 08:26
See_B00kReaDs wrote:
31 Mar 2018, 08:01
n-dai che wrote:
31 Mar 2018, 07:42


Yeah right! Hoping for I can apply this idea of yours all the time of my life. Will you still be kind to the elderly who rule ruthlessly?
Well yeah, it depends on the situation, and I'm sure there's a reason behind every action. What I'm saying is in general we should love and treat them kindly.
Thanks for your elaboration, It makes me calm right now. I feel better now, I am glad that I am a part of this forum . I can relate to this situation. Thanks to you.
No worries, thanks to you too.
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