When does personal responsibility become a part of the question?

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Post by n-dai che » 31 Mar 2018, 16:07

Cheyenne Perkins wrote: ↑
28 Mar 2018, 14:09
DancingLady wrote: ↑
08 Mar 2018, 00:25
Ultimately the shooter is to blame as they didn’t have to make that choice. However, anyone who is aware that there is a serious risk of tragedy that could be prevented is responsible for how they deal with that knowledge. Unfortunately people often blame themselves for things they couldn’t realistically foresee, while others ignore warnings signs they have the capacity to address. I think it’s just a matter or educating yourself and making a point to not ignore something if you can take action.
I completely agree with you. We are not responsible for others actions, but we are culpable for what we say and do.
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Post by Elle Howard » 01 Apr 2018, 08:29

I would have to side with the shooter being to blame. They are the one that makes the final decision. Others, if they had known, may have intervened for a different outcome. However, it is the shooter that picks up the gun and uses it. I am sure many families of shooters play over repeatedly in their minds ways they could have stopped them.
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Post by KRay93 » 01 Apr 2018, 09:53

If one analyzes the entire scenario, everyone has their share of responsibility. Of course, the shooter will always be the maximum responsible for being the person who carries out the act directly. At the same time, those who allowed an older man whose healthy judgment can be altered by his advanced age to have a weapon at his fingertips also have a lower percentage of guilt.

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Post by n-dai che » 01 Apr 2018, 12:56

The one who did the wrong move held the higher responsibility. The NRA and the vt2 company are just a part of it. They are blamed because they sold that kind of stuffs. I see that, too many factors involving in the crime.

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Post by mcfeealexis » 03 Apr 2018, 10:34

I feel it can go both ways with who is to blame. Obviously the shooters hold a higher blame because they are intentionally going out of their way to harm others just like the corporations. This does not mean that the people who are in that sistuation that can not take personal responsibity to make a change in what can happen to them. In the end the responsibility falls on both the people and the corporate.

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Post by chris 9 mayos » 05 Apr 2018, 08:40

when one is in need of help and you are in a position of helping,there are two circumstances;that is whether or whether not to help.upon this is where personal responsibilty now comes in

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Post by anix67 » 05 Apr 2018, 17:18

I definitely believe it is the shooters responsibility. They were the one who made the choice to pull the trigger. Sometimes there are signs that people ignore but more often, I think they just do not realize what it meant and never suspected. The shooter must take responsibility.

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Post by Momiji1987 » 05 Apr 2018, 22:23

LivreAmour217 wrote: ↑
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I hold the shooter responsible. I also believe that VitalTech does shoulder some partial blame, because they chose to not remove the "Final Notice" feature after they learned of correlation with the shootings. The morally responsible reaction would have been to remove the feature as a precaution. HOWEVER, the watch did not force the shooters go on a rampage, so I don't think that the company could be held legally responsible, just like I don't believe that gun manufacturers should be liable for crimes committed with their products.

The reasons behind why some people choose to commit these horrible crimes are multifaceted. Mental instability, lack of social support, a culture that glorifies violence, and restrictions that are difficult to enforce are some of the reasons. But like I said before, the blame ultimately falls upon the shooter.
I couldn’t agree more, nor could I have put it better myself. This makes a lot of sense and is clearly articulated.

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Post by beck0823 » 06 Apr 2018, 12:43

ericahs wrote: ↑
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I think there is a balance between personal responsibility, like staying informed and making informed decisions, and placing the blame on larger social structures.
I agree, there is a moral responsibility inherit for all the parties. Of course, the main aspect of that lies with the shooter, since it was his personal decision to take that action. However, for corporations, there is also the decision to prioritize profits over the good of the society they are functioning in.

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Post by Kibetious » 06 Apr 2018, 15:35

When it comes to this, I believe everyone is to blame if there was something that could have been done to prevent the incident. However, this does not replace the weight of the whole case on the shooter.
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Post by desantismt_17 » 07 Apr 2018, 13:32

We are all responsible for the choices we make as individuals, whether those choices be good or bad. Every choice has consequences, and if we make that choice (such as shooting), we need to be willing to accept the consequences. I feel that many people choose not to do so, which partly explains why there is a problem with guns--instant gratification without looking past the action. Similarly, knowing there is the potential for mass danger and doing nothing is a choice. The danger coming to pass is a consequence, and if someone knows and chooses to say nothing, they need to accept the consequences, tough as it may be. I'd love to say I've mastered acceptance, but these are just big beliefs from someone who struggles with the application in my own life.
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Post by Lennycat » 08 Apr 2018, 12:09

I think ultimately, that the shooter holds the primary responsibility. However, each one of us has a responsibility to make good choices, or a choice to make an ethical decision.

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Post by kastle » 13 Apr 2018, 23:52

There is a lot of factors involved in who is to blame. But ultimately, the final decision is up to the shooter. It is their choice, their mind, their thought process in deciding what to do.

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Post by ValBookReviews » 15 Apr 2018, 18:48

I firmly believe that personal responsibility begin the very moment you decide, with the intent to purchase, pick up a gun and disarmed (shoot) it. Therefore, it starts with the "man in the mirror", far beyond the concept and characters written within this fictional story.
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Post by uyky » 22 Apr 2018, 13:42

The shooter carries the most of the blame. However, I do believe if you can prevent harm to someone, it should be done.

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