How much responsibility falls on the NRA?

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Re: How much responsibility falls on the NRA?

Post by CatInTheHat » 11 Mar 2018, 17:09

Quithilion wrote:
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The NRA are doing what they are supposed to do. Sell guns, to whomever they can.

The responsibility rest either with the government for allowing the NRA to sell to the wrong people or with the people who bought the guns. After all they chose to buy them.

I come from a country that doesn't allow us to own guns and we have no such problems. So I'll have a final notice watch if they need testers.
I'm pretty sure that the NRA does not sell guns.
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Post by azerikaj » 11 Mar 2018, 18:29

Sorry, my mistake...I meant to write that FDA can't get into elections like the NRA does. My sentence wasn't clear.

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Post by CatInTheHat » 11 Mar 2018, 21:11

azerikaj wrote:
11 Mar 2018, 18:29
Sorry, my mistake...I meant to write that FDA can't get into elections like the NRA does. My sentence wasn't clear.
Thank you for the clarification.
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Post by VictoriaMcMillen » 12 Mar 2018, 10:00

The NRA was bashed throughout this book by the characters and by news reports that seemed to lay it on pretty thick if you know what I mean. So many things get sold, all over the world, without the proper training to operate them, or to even think of them in the way they need to be thought of. I believe the NRA is responsible. I would not have if the NRA wasn't putting millions into stopping citizen-based legislation to better protect the people of society. Businesses have a responsibility to the society in which they are, to the citizens that feed their businesses the very profits they feed their families with. To continually bar any sort of change to a hazardous situation- such as automatic assault rifles- is cause for a foul. Cigarette companies had to pay out billions for people not knowing they were dying from them. Shouldn't the NRA pay out just as much for making sure there are automatic rifles out there that could kill us at any given moment, for stopping the use of background checks to keep guns out of the hands of violent offenders?
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Post by azerikaj » 12 Mar 2018, 17:09

I agree, Victoria!

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Post by azerikaj » 12 Mar 2018, 17:10

No problem, Cat, pronouns can be weak sometimes.

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Post by Camille Turner » 13 Mar 2018, 15:59

I believe the NRA takes an enormous amount of responsibility in this book. Their blatant twisting of the truth, encouraging people to have guns who shouldn't and demonizing those who are actually heroes makes them one of the biggest villains in the book, and as opposed to the gray waters of the other characters' actions, they are presented with no redeemable qualities here.

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Post by dhomespot » 13 Mar 2018, 17:24

I think this question has a yes and no answer. I think the NRA was wrong in targeting seniors, not that seniors are ill equipped to handle guns, but they did not take their medical conditions in to consideration when allowing them to purchase guns. In the book there was a legally blind woman that was allowed to purchase a gun. On the other hand, a gun cannot fire itself. Ultimately, it comes down to who is using the gun.
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Post by azerikaj » 15 Mar 2018, 21:04

Yeah, in a way, both the politicians and lobbyists' behavior crossed the line into cartoonish villainy at times. Yes, I believe that the level of power they wield is most destructive, but they tap into people's anxieties, and...well, the picture presented got simplistic by the end.(Also, with the Senators)

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Post by authorswrite » 15 Mar 2018, 21:13

The NRA does NOT sell guns for sure. I am a believer in the second amendment. I also believe the Founders gave us a Constitution for a reason. The whole purpose of the 2nd amendment is to protect our 1st amendment rights. Guns don't automatically start shooting at anyone. People do. The Founders wanted STATE government to take the lead. Not federal. I am an article V believer. I want state governments to control their states.

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Post by holsam_87 » 16 Mar 2018, 01:00

I think that a lot of the tragedies present in the book should have been the NRA's responsibility. I do realize that the representatives aren't presented in a very positive light, but it should still be their responsibility.
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Post by londonmartine » 16 Mar 2018, 03:56

Spirit Wandering wrote:
02 Mar 2018, 10:52
I haven't read this work yet. However, from the reviews I have looked at, it would appear that the author argues in favor of gun control, which would put the book in a positon directly opposite the NRA. While I haven't read the book, I am very familiar with the NRA's views and actions. I would argue that the NRA definitely has some responsibility for mass shootings, by adamantly opposing any and all gun controls. Although I would also argue that the societal issues that result in mass shootings go a lot deeper than the efforts of the NRA.

A brief primer about the NRA for anyone who isn't familiar with them. In 2015, the last year for which I could find online their required annual reporting, their revenue was almost $400 million. In the world of non-profit organizations, that makes them a very large one indeed. They are organized as a 501(c)4 non-profit, which designates them as a "social welfare" organization. Personally, I find this designation ironic, given their activities. However, I would imagine that their members feel that the organization's stated mission to "protect" the constitution, particularly regarding the second amendment, would meet the standard of promoting social welfare.
Crikey. Thanks for your detailed reply - this is obviously a very current and emotive subject. As a Brit, I can't believe your gun violence situation that people seem so opposed to doing anything about. It looks mad from across the pond. But your NRA seems to be so powerful that their opposition to change makes the problem insurmountable. I really hope that's not the case, and I have great admiration for the kids who are speaking out and providing alternative political views for the next generation of voters. I haven't read this book yet, but I have a feeling that I might cry my way through it :(

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Post by atonykamau » 16 Mar 2018, 08:20

I don't really think so because NRA has no control over people's actions

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Post by Cvogel5487 » 16 Mar 2018, 09:14

sepicatt wrote:
04 Mar 2018, 09:50
kandscreeley wrote:
02 Mar 2018, 20:52
I'm not so sure. When a drug that the FDA has approved turns out to be deadly, people blame the drug manufacturer not the FDA. Isn't this similar?
Interesting thought. I think the problem when it comes to the NRA is how they handle the situation. I don't see the FDA stand there blatantly arguing against issues and making social stances the way they do. I think that is where the problem lies. The whole issue appears to be being approached as a social/rights issue rather then being looked at scientifically if that makes sense. Not saying the FDA never does anything questionable.
I agree with you on this one. I believe that as a non profit organization, the NRA shouldn't be 'buying support from politicians to sell more guns and stop any type of reform. I am not pro or anti gun, but I believe better background checks and mandatory training on how to handle a gun would help in so many ways.
I don't know if the FDA ever uses money to support politicians, but I think the world would be better off if large organizations did not buy our government figures, and they actually relied on the people for support.

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Post by GabbiV » 16 Mar 2018, 10:36

Because it is so easy to access guns in America at the moment, I would say yes. If it were more difficult then I would see the issue as more of a "blame the shooter" mentality, but with gun laws as they are it's becoming more and more apparent that these shooters are getting their guns legally.

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