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Re: Fidelity vs. infidelity

Post by yellosteel » 11 Jul 2017, 05:24

Right on gali! I sure got carried away.

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Post by gali » 11 Jul 2017, 05:37

yellosteel wrote:Right on gali! I sure got carried away.
It is ok. :) And I do agree with you that "getting involved emotionally with another person is an indication of a crack in that relationship".
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Post by SilviaP21 » 11 Jul 2017, 07:40

Even without the physical contact it still counts as cheating. If you have to hide it, if it makes you feel guilty and if it makes your partner feel betrayed, then it's cheating.
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Post by gali » 11 Jul 2017, 07:46

SilviaP21 wrote:Even without the physical contact it still counts as cheating. If you have to hide it, if it makes you feel guilty and if it makes your partner feel betrayed, then it's cheating.
A good point! If you feel you have to hide it, it is cheating. Otherwise, why hide it?!
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Post by Ssinghal » 11 Jul 2017, 09:25

Morally, I agree that it is wrong that Yasser was flirting with another woman whilst in a relationship. However, let me offer a definition to be considered:
Extramarital affairs are relationships outside of marriage where a sexual relationship or a romantic friendship or passionate attachment occurs.
I think sexual relationship is the key word, and flirting over the phone will not count as an affair in any court
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Post by gali » 11 Jul 2017, 10:01

Ssinghal wrote:Morally, I agree that it is wrong that Yasser was flirting with another woman whilst in a relationship. However, let me offer a definition to be considered:
Extramarital affairs are relationships outside of marriage where a sexual relationship or a romantic friendship or passionate attachment occurs.
I think sexual relationship is the key word, and flirting over the phone will not count as an affair in any court
I think that he did more than flirting on those calls... Anyway, we are not talking about strict definitions, but about the morality of the issue.
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Post by Ssinghal » 12 Jul 2017, 08:24

gali wrote:
Ssinghal wrote:Morally, I agree that it is wrong that Yasser was flirting with another woman whilst in a relationship. However, let me offer a definition to be considered:
Extramarital affairs are relationships outside of marriage where a sexual relationship or a romantic friendship or passionate attachment occurs.
I think sexual relationship is the key word, and flirting over the phone will not count as an affair in any court
I think that he did more than flirting on those calls... Anyway, we are not talking about strict definitions, but about the morality of the issue.
As far as morality is concerned, I don't think what Miriam did was very right either. She twisted all his words and argued with him for no reason whatsoever. Isn't that morally wrong as well?
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Post by gali » 12 Jul 2017, 08:30

Ssinghal wrote:
gali wrote:
Ssinghal wrote:Morally, I agree that it is wrong that Yasser was flirting with another woman whilst in a relationship. However, let me offer a definition to be considered:

I think sexual relationship is the key word, and flirting over the phone will not count as an affair in any court
I think that he did more than flirting on those calls... Anyway, we are not talking about strict definitions, but about the morality of the issue.
As far as morality is concerned, I don't think what Miriam did was very right either. She twisted all his words and argued with him for no reason whatsoever. Isn't that morally wrong as well?
I agree that what Miriam did was wrong. That aside, how would he have felt if she had sex calls with another man? I am sure he wouldn't have liked it, to say the least.
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Post by Jeyran Main » 12 Jul 2017, 08:33

Cheating is cheating when you are emotionally involved with someone else other than your partner.
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Post by gali » 12 Jul 2017, 08:38

Jeyran Main wrote:Cheating is cheating when you are emotionally involved with someone else other than your partner.
Indeed it is! Yasser probably felt the same as his conscience bothered him.
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Post by hsimone » 12 Jul 2017, 08:48

gali wrote:
Jeyran Main wrote:Cheating is cheating when you are emotionally involved with someone else other than your partner.
Indeed it is! Yasser probably felt the same as his conscience bothered him.
I absolutely agree. Though Miriam may be difficult to deal with, having sexual calls with someone else is even worse. Here's my thought - one probably shouldn't propose after just six months in knowing someone (because you can't really know someone in just six months), and if the relationship isn't working, then leave it.

Whatever Yaser does after leaving the relationship is his business, but he is still a committed man. Anyone who gets married has a responsibility in being faithful, both physically and, especially, emotionally. Being emotionally invested in someone else, especially in the fashion that he took, does not show love, commitment, or respect. These are biggies in a relationship. Therefore, what he did was absolutely cheating.

Great question, gali!
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Post by gali » 12 Jul 2017, 09:01

hsimone wrote:
gali wrote:
Jeyran Main wrote:Cheating is cheating when you are emotionally involved with someone else other than your partner.
Indeed it is! Yasser probably felt the same as his conscience bothered him.
I absolutely agree. Though Miriam may be difficult to deal with, having sexual calls with someone else is even worse. Here's my thought - one probably shouldn't propose after just six months in knowing someone (because you can't really know someone in just six months), and if the relationship isn't working, then leave it.

Whatever Yaser does after leaving the relationship is his business, but he is still a committed man. Anyone who gets married has a responsibility in being faithful, both physically and, especially, emotionally. Being emotionally invested in someone else, especially in the fashion that he took, does not show love, commitment, or respect. These are biggies in a relationship. Therefore, what he did was absolutely cheating.

Great question, gali!
Well said! You summed it up perfectly! :tiphat:

Thank you! :) .
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Post by kandscreeley » 12 Jul 2017, 09:05

Someone above brought up flirting. I will say that while I would not want my husband to flirt with another woman, I am under no illusions that I am the only woman he ever looks at. I know that he will find other women attractive, and I'm okay with that. As long as he is not emotionally involved. As long as he still considers me beautiful and comes home to me. As long as he is still committed to me.
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Post by hsimone » 12 Jul 2017, 09:11

gali wrote:
hsimone wrote:
gali wrote:
Indeed it is! Yasser probably felt the same as his conscience bothered him.
I absolutely agree. Though Miriam may be difficult to deal with, having sexual calls with someone else is even worse. Here's my thought - one probably shouldn't propose after just six months in knowing someone (because you can't really know someone in just six months), and if the relationship isn't working, then leave it.

Whatever Yaser does after leaving the relationship is his business, but he is still a committed man. Anyone who gets married has a responsibility in being faithful, both physically and, especially, emotionally. Being emotionally invested in someone else, especially in the fashion that he took, does not show love, commitment, or respect. These are biggies in a relationship. Therefore, what he did was absolutely cheating.

Great question, gali!
Well said! You summed it up perfectly! :tiphat:

Thank you! :) .
Thank you! :tiphat:
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Post by gali » 12 Jul 2017, 09:13

kandscreeley wrote:Someone above brought up flirting. I will say that while I would not want my husband to flirt with another woman, I am under no illusions that I am the only woman he ever looks at. I know that he will find other women attractive, and I'm okay with that. As long as he is not emotionally involved. As long as he still considers me beautiful and comes home to me. As long as he is still committed to me.
I agree and feel the same. Looking is ok, as long as one doesn't do more than looking.
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