Demonic world in Raven’s Peak

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Demonic world in Raven’s Peak

Post by Aldonsa » 13 Apr 2017, 23:34

The book made me wonder how the demonic world (or hell) is organized. On the one hand there are references to Kabala, but there are contradictions too. Belphegor is not the demon of madness; he is supposed to be the demon of technological progress and laziness. Belphegor is an ancient and very serious demon; he doesn’t need to possess a human to cause damage. The same goes for Abaddon, he is even more powerful. When I read Abigail’s words “I came here to send the demon Abaddon back to hell”, I was very surprised. No one could send Abaddon back to hell for thousands years! :shock:
Maybe there are some other theories about hell and demons that accord with the book more? :eusa-think:

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Post by Christina O Phillips » 16 Apr 2017, 18:08

I'm only about halfway in so I can't answer this yet, but I was thrown off by Abigail's declaration, too. She said she wants to send Abaddon back to hell. I had trouble with this name because in my experience Abaddon is a Knight of Hell and Sam and Dean Winchester had a hell of a time dealing with her (yes, I watch Supernatural). So I keep picturing the Abaddon in the book as the same Abaddon in the TV show Supernatural.

-- 16 Apr 2017, 17:10 --

I'm only about halfway in so I can't answer this yet, but I was thrown off by Abigail's declaration, too. She said she wants to send Abaddon back to hell. I had trouble with this name because in my experience Abaddon is a Knight of Hell and Sam and Dean Winchester had a hell of a time dealing with her (yes, I watch Supernatural). So I keep picturing the Abaddon in the book as the same Abaddon in the TV show Supernatural.

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Post by Amagine » 17 Apr 2017, 16:03

Maybe Abaddon is only extremely powerful when he is in hell. If he is outside of it, his power is weaker and that makes it easier for Abigail to get rid of him.
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Post by Donnavila Marie01 » 17 Apr 2017, 18:17

The confusion on Abbadon's characterization is what makes Raven's Peak unique. The declaration of Abigail keeps us thinking and wondering which compels us to finish the book to look for the answers.

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Post by Amagine » 17 Apr 2017, 18:28

Donnavila Marie01 wrote:The confusion on Abbadon's characterization is what makes Raven's Peak unique. The declaration of Abigail keeps us thinking and wondering which compels us to finish the book to look for the answers.
I agree. :)
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Post by Aldonsa » 17 Apr 2017, 22:14

Christina O Phillips wrote:I'm only about halfway in so I can't answer this yet, but I was thrown off by Abigail's declaration, too. She said she wants to send Abaddon back to hell. I had trouble with this name because in my experience Abaddon is a Knight of Hell and Sam and Dean Winchester had a hell of a time dealing with her (yes, I watch Supernatural). So I keep picturing the Abaddon in the book as the same Abaddon in the TV show Supernatural.
I don't watch the TV show Supernatural, so I can't compare demonic characters. But in demonology Abaddon is indeed a very powerful knight of hell.

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Post by Amagine » 17 Apr 2017, 22:28

Aldonsa wrote:
Christina O Phillips wrote:I'm only about halfway in so I can't answer this yet, but I was thrown off by Abigail's declaration, too. She said she wants to send Abaddon back to hell. I had trouble with this name because in my experience Abaddon is a Knight of Hell and Sam and Dean Winchester had a hell of a time dealing with her (yes, I watch Supernatural). So I keep picturing the Abaddon in the book as the same Abaddon in the TV show Supernatural.
I don't watch the TV show Supernatural, so I can't compare demonic characters. But in demonology Abaddon is indeed a very powerful knight of hell.
I think I read that somewhere too.
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Post by Aldonsa » 17 Apr 2017, 22:30

Amagine wrote:Maybe Abaddon is only extremely powerful when he is in hell. If he is outside of it, his power is weaker and that makes it easier for Abigail to get rid of him.
It is an interesting idea. :idea:
In demonology Abaddon is a synonym of destruction and death. I think it means that he must be powerful in human world. (Or does he destroy hell? :shock: )
Nevertheless a demon of such high level doesn't have to possess someone, doesn't need a body for presence in our world.

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Donnavila Marie01 wrote:The confusion on Abbadon's characterization is what makes Raven's Peak unique. The declaration of Abigail keeps us thinking and wondering which compels us to finish the book to look for the answers.
That is a unique point of view of demons indeed. You are right, a reader is so confused that he have to finish all the series. :?

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Post by Kdonegan91 » 19 Apr 2017, 14:01

Christina O Phillips wrote:I'm only about halfway in so I can't answer this yet, but I was thrown off by Abigail's declaration, too. She said she wants to send Abaddon back to hell. I had trouble with this name because in my experience Abaddon is a Knight of Hell and Sam and Dean Winchester had a hell of a time dealing with her (yes, I watch Supernatural). So I keep picturing the Abaddon in the book as the same Abaddon in the TV show Supernatural.
My husband absolutely loves Supernatural. I refuse to watch it because I'm a big scaredy cat when it comes to demons and evil spirits.
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Post by Vickyoreo86 » 24 Apr 2017, 05:05

I like to approach every work of fiction/fantasy openly and without comparing to the knowledge I have. For me, demons are not of the real world we live in, so it's intriguing to see what books and films do with them, twist them, make them their own. If you compare with TV shows, you will lose the beauty of what you are reading. I love demon books, but I will try not to have an expectation of how the author will deal with them in their story. It will be very interesting to see what Lincoln Cole does with his characters and how he is going to go about defeating the demons. (I haven't finished the book) And by the way, the author has one of the coolest names on the planet!! :)
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Post by TheSeelieCourtJester » 02 Jun 2017, 15:38

As much as I hate to say this, Raven's Peak is a fictitious piece of work from the brilliant mind of Lincoln Cole. However, the author does interpret Belphagor in a very good way. I learned that it was the demon of inventions, and usually seduces people by suggesting inventions that would help them get rich quick. I guess the author interpreted it as using humanity's basic desires to get an advantage over them. And yes, you've got a point; Abbadon would not be taken down that easily.

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Kdonegan91 wrote:
Christina O Phillips wrote:I'm only about halfway in so I can't answer this yet, but I was thrown off by Abigail's declaration, too. She said she wants to send Abaddon back to hell. I had trouble with this name because in my experience Abaddon is a Knight of Hell and Sam and Dean Winchester had a hell of a time dealing with her (yes, I watch Supernatural). So I keep picturing the Abaddon in the book as the same Abaddon in the TV show Supernatural.
My husband absolutely loves Supernatural. I refuse to watch it because I'm a big scaredy cat when it comes to demons and evil spirits.
I love Supernatural too! I can guarantee you, the show isn't as scary as it seems, and in fact, is emotionally complex. Then again, I'm a horror fan, so I'm not sure how my tastes correlate to yours…

On the bright side, the characters are cute.

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Post by jemgirl202 » 02 Jun 2017, 16:52

I enjoyed how he would make hints at the structure and I have a feeling we will see more of it in the second and third book. I have never watched supernatural either. Is it any good?

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Post by Mrsbellaz » 12 Jun 2017, 15:58

I'm happy to be reading these posts. Demons and demonic possession is one thing I do not like to read about or watch on tv. I will be happy to sit this book out...

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Post by fayetino » 09 Aug 2017, 02:37

I don't know much about demonology. I'm actually surprised that these demon names were not made up.

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