About God in "Raven's Peak"

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Re: About God in "Raven's Peak"

Post by Wasif Ahmed » 07 Apr 2017, 05:47

Aldonsa wrote:When Arthur and Frieda mentioned God they always said "she". Why "she"? What do you think?
I wonder maybe Council and Hunter's Order believe in the Aramaic Holy Spirit? :eusa-think:
I found it intriguing but have no idea why.
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Post by James Craft » 07 Apr 2017, 09:38

Wasif Ahmed wrote:
Aldonsa wrote:When Arthur and Frieda mentioned God they always said "she". Why "she"? What do you think?
I wonder maybe Council and Hunter's Order believe in the Aramaic Holy Spirit? :eusa-think:
I found it intriguing but have no idea why.
It has definitely sparked a lot of discussion in the forum here! If that was the author's intent, its working!

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Post by greenstripedgiraffe » 07 Apr 2017, 13:05

This may not be the answer, but several people believe in a goddess instead of God. Or, they believe in a god and a goddess. This is huge in Wicca and also many pagan theologies.
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Post by Rinsola-Usman » 07 Apr 2017, 19:48

I believe they were referring to Krishna. Because Haatim also mentioned Krishna when banishing the demon with the prayers his father father thought him.

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Post by Kitkat3 » 08 Apr 2017, 02:06

I noticed that too! I personally liked it because God is normally referred to as a "He." I hope that it will be explained later. I think it was an intentional addition since all of the demons are gendered.

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Post by Amagine » 08 Apr 2017, 06:20

In the Q&A, he was asked about the significance behind the use of "she." He said that it is not a major part of the plot. It was just done to make the characters unique and show they have their own individual beliefs.
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Post by Rebeccaej » 08 Apr 2017, 20:23

I know a number of Christians--including a few ministers who sometimes refer to god as "She."

While I haven't asked explicitly, the impression I always get is that they're pointing out that God is inherently genderless, and if we hear "he" as most appropriate, that's a reflection of us and our patriarchal culture, not of God.

I mean, the bible portrays god as multi-gendered. Deuteronomy 32:18, for example, goes out of its way to portray god as both father and mother.

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Post by Amagine » 08 Apr 2017, 20:43

Rebeccaej wrote:I know a number of Christians--including a few ministers who sometimes refer to god as "She."

While I haven't asked explicitly, the impression I always get is that they're pointing out that God is inherently genderless, and if we hear "he" as most appropriate, that's a reflection of us and our patriarchal culture, not of God.

I mean, the bible portrays god as multi-gendered. Deuteronomy 32:18, for example, goes out of its way to portray god as both father and mother.
That's interesting to know. I never knew there was a line in the Bible that portrayed God as both genders. Thank you for that information. I realized something new today.
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Post by rssllue » 08 Apr 2017, 23:32

Rebeccaej wrote:I know a number of Christians--including a few ministers who sometimes refer to god as "She."

While I haven't asked explicitly, the impression I always get is that they're pointing out that God is inherently genderless, and if we hear "he" as most appropriate, that's a reflection of us and our patriarchal culture, not of God.

I mean, the bible portrays god as multi-gendered. Deuteronomy 32:18, for example, goes out of its way to portray god as both father and mother.
I don't see where it says that in Deuteronomy. Chapter 32, verse 18 says: 18Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.
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Post by Gingerbo0ks » 09 Apr 2017, 05:48

gali wrote:I don't know why, but I found it refreshing.
The same, I liked it, and at the end of the day, why not?
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Post by Rebeccaej » 09 Apr 2017, 09:35

rssllue wrote:
Rebeccaej wrote:I know a number of Christians--including a few ministers who sometimes refer to god as "She."

While I haven't asked explicitly, the impression I always get is that they're pointing out that God is inherently genderless, and if we hear "he" as most appropriate, that's a reflection of us and our patriarchal culture, not of God.

I mean, the bible portrays god as multi-gendered. Deuteronomy 32:18, for example, goes out of its way to portray god as both father and mother.
I don't see where it says that in Deuteronomy. Chapter 32, verse 18 says: 18Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.
Interesting. Most translations have the first line as "fathered you," and the second line as, "gave you birth."

And pairing those ideas in that format--so that they slightly contradict each other, mostly build on each other, and mean more together than either does individually--that's very in keeping with Hebrew poetic styles.

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Amagine wrote:
Rebeccaej wrote:I know a number of Christians--including a few ministers who sometimes refer to god as "She."

While I haven't asked explicitly, the impression I always get is that they're pointing out that God is inherently genderless, and if we hear "he" as most appropriate, that's a reflection of us and our patriarchal culture, not of God.

I mean, the bible portrays god as multi-gendered. Deuteronomy 32:18, for example, goes out of its way to portray god as both father and mother.
That's interesting to know. I never knew there was a line in the Bible that portrayed God as both genders. Thank you for that information. I realized something new today.
Oh there's definitely more than one. I was actually trying to look up a different one--that's kind of poetic and uses the image of a creature giving birth, followed by the idea that God also has a womb and gave birth. I think it's in Psalms. I can't remember enough about it to find it, but I found this in my googling.

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Post by Donnavila Marie01 » 09 Apr 2017, 19:42

In Raven's peak, God is a she, and this I believe is a drastic move for feminism. In analysis, God must not have sex classification, God is supposedly perfect. Carrying either of the female or male sex connotes imperfection. Come to think of it.

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Post by Aldonsa » 10 Apr 2017, 06:12

greenstripedgiraffe wrote:This may not be the answer, but several people believe in a goddess instead of God. Or, they believe in a god and a goddess. This is huge in Wicca and also many pagan theologies.
I like an idea about wicca in the ranks of Council :!:

-- 10 Apr 2017, 06:13 --
Rinsola-Usman wrote:I believe they were referring to Krishna.
Krishna was a male :wink:

-- 10 Apr 2017, 06:20 --
Amagine wrote:In the Q&A, he was asked about the significance behind the use of "she." He said that it is not a major part of the plot. It was just done to make the characters unique and show they have their own individual beliefs.
Oh, that's more understandable! The characters are unique in their beliefs and the readers have free scope to imagination. :idea:
Thanks for the information! :tiphat:

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rssllue wrote:
Rebeccaej wrote: I mean, the bible portrays god as multi-gendered. Deuteronomy 32:18, for example, goes out of its way to portray god as both father and mother.
I don't see where it says that in Deuteronomy. Chapter 32, verse 18 says: 18Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.
When I was looking for information about God gender, I found that God can be considered as both father and mother in a paper that referred to the bible. But I failed to find about it in the bible. :(

-- 10 Apr 2017, 06:29 --
Rebeccaej wrote: Oh there's definitely more than one. I was actually trying to look up a different one--that's kind of poetic and uses the image of a creature giving birth, followed by the idea that God also has a womb and gave birth. I think it's in Psalms. I can't remember enough about it to find it, but I found this in my googling.
Very interesting ideas! :tiphat:

-- 10 Apr 2017, 06:35 --
Donnavila Marie01 wrote:In analysis, God must not have sex classification, God is supposedly perfect. Carrying either of the female or male sex connotes imperfection. Come to think of it.
I agree with you, God must be perfect so he must be out of any human classifications. But people need to refer to him/her somehow.

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Post by rssllue » 10 Apr 2017, 08:15

Aldonsa wrote:
rssllue wrote:
Rebeccaej wrote: I mean, the bible portrays god as multi-gendered. Deuteronomy 32:18, for example, goes out of its way to portray god as both father and mother.
I don't see where it says that in Deuteronomy. Chapter 32, verse 18 says: 18Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.
When I was looking for information about God gender, I found that God can be considered as both father and mother in a paper that referred to the bible. But I failed to find about it in the bible. :(
I have never seen God referred to as mother in the bible. I have seen Him many times referred to as Father and always with masculine pronouns as well. Jesus always called Him Father too. Things are usually pretty easy to find and understand in the bible actually (especially with search engines today), so if you struggle trying to find it, it probably isn't really in there to begin with. No matter what, it is a great book to read from cover to cover, which also keeps all of the verses in context which is so very important. I highly recommend reading it! :D
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Post by dhomespot » 10 Apr 2017, 17:11

It did not bother me having God as "she". I look at it as a personal preference. God is also known as Alpha and Omega. My opinion is that we will not know until we get to where we are going.
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